Re: [ cf-dev ] The chicken or the egg

[Simon Horwith]

this doesn't really apply to web development - specifically ColdFusion.  The dot com boom began in the US and for the most part was a US phenomena that happened to impact/spread to the markets in other countries.  I don't know of any company in the US that's of the opinion that they'll find better ColdFusion developers overseas.  Ever company I've spoken with that's outsourced CF work to the third world has been extremely dissapointed (not necessarily the case with Java and other development).  I haven't had any problem finding work here...but I know I'm not quite the same as the average Joe on the market.  In my experience, companies are interested in me because of the exposure I've had to Enterprise Applications.  The size and robustness of some of the applications that I worked on in the US during the dot com boom appears to be important to many companies.  There are still opportunities for foreigners in the  US obviously, and there are still opportunities for US workers to work on these kinds of large enterprise apps... there are a lot of them out there and more being developed everyday.  I think that the reason an American will find the market here in the UK rather poor is that they're used to the US market which is currently much better than the UK (in terms of number of open positions needing to be filled).  Personally I've been more surprised by the average salary offerings which, in the UK, are much lower... especially when you take cost of living into account.  Obviously, everything I've said is based on what I've experienced and none of it applies to everyone - they're just generalizations. ~Simon Simon Horwith CTO, eTRILOGY ltd. Member of Team Macromedia Macromedia Certified Master Instructor http://www.cfstandards.org Snake Hollywood wrote: You will find americans and English are very different. Americans are generally happy to employ foreigners because they know all the best talent comes from abroad, especially Europe. The English are not so keen to employ foreigners, especially when they do not live in the UK to begin with, there is also a lot of prejudice over here. You also have to remember that a lot of the imported talent comes from the UK. For example the well known special effects company "Industrial light and magic" were a british company. Russ -----Original Message----- From: Alex Puritche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 June 2004 15:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [ cf-dev ] The chicken or the egg Snake, you are right. i'm foreigner, telecommuter. Americans have no major problems hiring me (except maybe occasional misunderstandings occurring as result of my bad English), thus it seems like my "foreignness" is not a big problem. Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:03:56 PM, you wrote: Snake> Well your experience is not neccisarily going to define the UK Snake> situation. As your semmingly a foreigner and I presume not even Snake> living in the UK. Snake> Russ -----Original Message----- From: Alex Puritche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 June 2004 14:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The chicken or the egg hi folks, sorry for bringing this topic up. i was constantly seeking for UK employer and i wasn't able to find any of during 5 years. so it seems to me sort of strange that it is difficult for UK employer to find good CF developer. Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 11:00:54 PM, you wrote: Ellwood> I have heard many discussions on this forum about the lackof Ellwood> Coldfusion jobs and whether we should retrain in ASP Ellwood> and the like. My recentexperience has shown me an alternative Ellwood> viewpoint. My current contract is for anemployer who is in the Ellwood> midst of making the decision to move from CF to .NET andhis Ellwood> main reason is that he cant get any Coldfusion programmers. Ellwood> There is avirtual glut of asp programmers leaving University Ellwood> and a great source of thevaluable resource he needs. So which Ellwood> came first, the lack of jobs or the lackof programmers? 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