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Russ,
Thats because you know what you're talking about, if you
put too much information on a site then a less experienced user who may be
researching a cms requirement will look at the price breakdown, may be putting
together some sort of business case or working some budget for the project to go
to a board with. What happens when because they dont understand the whole
picture they pick a single server install when actually the IT department
have a policy of full redundancy across multiple sites, deployment, testing and
multiple failover. Then they're looking at a completely different
picture.
Lets agree to disagree :-D
Alex
p.s This Oogymaflip thing sounds cool whats it do
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From: Snake Hollywood
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Sent: 21 June 2004
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Alex,
perhaps you just have more free time to deal with things
like this and spend hours traipsing around websites and on the phone to sales
guys. but us busy folks just find it an annoying waste of
time.
If a company can't tell you whether their products costs
�17k or �250k then it's because they are going to do a Paul underwood on
you.
Look how easy it is.
Our product Oogymaflip
1 x license to use on one server �999
1 x unlimited domains license �3999
1 x single domain license �199
These prices are not going to change because I wear snake
skin shoes, because it's friday or because my name is Russ.
If I want a custom solution that is not listed, i'm
actually quite clever, I can use email and telephones and I can ask for
one.
It's no different than buying a car form Arther dailey is
it really...
Russ
erm,
I dont agree firstly as how helpful is 17k-250k ? it
depends on what the client needs and what it is they're trying to do, it is a
more complicated sale. I agree on the whole sales bit generally but i
think in the enterprise space people realise that if you do a full pitch
rather than giving info that people ask for you're going to be losing a sale.
Plus developers dont like sales people anyway generally (so they cant win :-)
).
I'd agree that most clients dont spend 30k on the cms
alone typically id say its around 20 but again with high end requirements
generally comes the budget. Shado isnt the type of system that you're going to
use on every project if the total budget is say 20-25k or at least its
less common, people are if its mostly out of box functionality. Id say
the average budget is anywhere between 30-50k with the odd bigger one if
they're doing something really special, such as high availability or whatever
but then thats usually hardware. I think its all about the size if Shado's
right for the job, i.e its an enterprise deployment then it generally
wont come down to a price decision.
Alex
It would be nice to find the options you have available
without having to speak to annoying sales people who will just keep trying to
convince you even if you tell them it's too expensive.
The average client isn't going to spend �30k on the CMS
alone, no matter how wonderful you tell them it is. This is only for those big
�clients who have �100k to spend on the whole project.
So it is kinda annoying when you have to waste time
reading all about the products on the websites, realise there is no price, get
in touch with sales, listen to 20 mins+ of sales hype before he will even tell
you the price, only to discover it's out of your clients range
anyway.
This is annoying with all companies who don't put prices
online, not just Shado. there really is no excuse fo rnot putting some kind of
price online, even if it's only a guide.
Russ
Erm,
The lack of downloads and published pricing was an
active decision firstly because Straker mostly sell through partners and a
lot of people put together packages including consulting and installation
but secondly if people are actually have a requirement for a cms they'll
call. There is a huge number of people every day applying for demos (hey
russ ;-). The pricing decision i believe revolves around the fact that shado
is sold into a number of different markets i.e. its cheaper for education
users, and whereas the pricing isnt too complex by cms standards, there are
different models for clustering etc, so as not to misinterpret its done
over the phone.
With regard to downloads, you cant download Reddot,
Immediacy, Gauss, Microsoft CMS or any other main cms players. Shado at
least lets clients have a demo of their software to evaluate which is also a
rare, strange as that may sound.
My 2p
Alex
is
there a trial version of Shado then ?
there is nothing on the straker site about price and no
downloads.
companies that don't publish pricing make me very wary as you know
they are just gonna make it up according to how much they think they can
choke out of you.
Russ
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