Actually, I’d prefer the one that is the most OSGi-like so that it is easily 
usable 
by OSGi users (if there are any). It seems to me that what we are currently 
doing fits that the best - requiring them to be OSGi services.

Ralph

> On Apr 1, 2022, at 1:23 PM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I'd most prefer whichever approach is most compatible with the
> non-OSGi use case. For anything OSGi-specific that needs to be added
> to our metadata, it would be best provided in a format that's easily
> merged with other metadata (e.g., via the manifest.mf file). The DSR
> idea still sounds pretty good.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 1:32 PM Piotr P. Karwasz <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> In my initial version of the release 2.x `ServiceLoaderUtil` I used an
>> external OSGI bundle (`osgi-resource-locator`) to lookup services in other
>> bundles (cf. source code
>> <https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j2/blob/d262274585735d36bc39d11475005d2021a095f9/log4j-api/src/main/java/org/apache/logging/log4j/util/ServiceLoaderUtil.java#L34>).
>> The main advantage I saw in it was that JAXB and other Jakarta EE artifacts
>> use it too.
>> 
>> However, after discussing this with Ralph, I am no longer convinced that
>> this is the best tool for the job, because:
>> 
>>   - since Eclipse took over Java EE, the artifact seems unmaintained
>> (cf. Github
>>   project <https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/glassfish-hk2-extra>) and does
>>   not even have a stable JPMS module name, which is problematic for `master
>>   `,
>>   - it is not included by default in the OSGI containers I checked
>>   (although I didn't check very hard).
>> 
>> Because of these reasons and the difficulties I had in using
>> `osgi-resource-locator` on Java 11 I removed OSGI support in PR #804
>> <https://github.com/apache/logging-log4j2/pull/804>, waiting for a better
>> solution (the `ServiceLoaderUtil` is a post-2.17.2 addition, so there is no
>> BC to take care of). Among the alternatives we could:
>> 
>>   1. duplicate the functionality of `osgi-service-locator` (but not the
>>   code which is licensed under EPL),
>>   2. rely on the Service Loader Mediator
>>   <http://docs.osgi.org/specification/osgi.cmpn/7.0.0/service.loader.html>,
>>   which requires an additional OSGI service. I am not sure if this would work
>>   in our case, since I am not calling `ServiceLoader` directly, but
>>   through `MethodHandles.Lookup` as a workaround for Java 9+ caller
>>   sensitivity. From what I have read the Service Loader Mediator weaves
>>   the bundles code looking for calls of `ServiceLoader` methods.
>>   3. keep the *status quo*, which requires all OSGI bundles to register
>>   their services as OSGI services. If I am not mistaken, currently only
>>   implementation providers do it. While this might seem as the most
>>   cumbersome solution, Declarative OSGI Services
>>   
>> <http://docs.osgi.org/specification/osgi.cmpn/7.0.0/service.component.html>,
>>   which were already proposed by Matt in LOG4J2-515
>>   <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-515>, should help keep the
>>   maintenance work minimal, since Declarative Services Runtimes seem quite
>>   commonly deployed these days.
>> 
>> Which solution should be adopted? I think that the main concern here should
>> be to provide a simple way for plugin authors to deploy their modules in
>> OSGI.
>> 
>> Piotr

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