Also, just FYI, I say that as someone that kind of prefers patches and JIRA for 90% of what I do. I’ve been doing this same shit for like half my life, I’m not looking for fancy new tools for the hell of it either. I like patches. It’s just going to happen. And I see a huge pool of free resources in the meantime, wow those workflow limits are not too bad at all. I could stop another new test that takes 2 minutes from coming in non nightly. Now that’s practically interesting.
Mark On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 7:39 PM Mark Miller <markrmil...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think that is a little over the top. > > As it is the majority of dev and pr's and action is moving to GitHub, > whether anyone is from Syria or not. > > If we decided, like most other communities on Gods green earth, to tell > our community we are going GitHub first it and expect committers to not > avoid all of our checks by just sticking to patches, the practical > differences don't have to be much beyond that. Apache GitBox is not going > away, it's easy to clearly spell out that those without access to GitHub > can provide a patch as we would allow any committer without access or moral > quandaries the same obviously. Making how to contribute a patch and use > JIRA alternate doc for those with GitHub issues is pretty low effort. > > JIRA is a little different, I'm not as sold on leaving it, but really it's > the same thing if almost all of the dev community starts using it for the > bulk of what would be in JIRA, already lots of JIRA related comments and > review have gone there - most stuff is just split instead of "free and > available" - GitHub is lacking, JIRA is lacking. Given that every damn > company and project is on GitHub, this is just the way it will continue to > go. So leaving JIRA up for history and those without access to GitHub would > be the same too. > > And if M$ does anything with GitHub, the universe will collectively move > on, with 90% of the world in the same spot. Great opportunity will emerge > if that happens. Join me in a startup :) > > It sounds great to be like, freedom, TOS and "Sad!" but practically it's > all meaningless. > > This is happening and will happen. Like I once said Git was inevitable and > just shut up until it came, this is the same. > > "Us" as a community deciding to embrace it just means 3-4 old curmudgeons > in a year won't as likely still be holding onto old ways for the sake of a > imagined victim. Anyone that doesn't want to accept the GitHub TOS would > get the same deal as someone from Siria. They will get the same 2nd citizen > experience they are currently enjoying and that will continue to grow. > > And whatever you say or whatever the day, the practical difference of what > happens will be zilch except for one thing: some people will feel better > about bucking the community even if they are not from Syria or morally > against the GitHub TOS. > > I'm a big fan of the kicking of screaming way, but generally only in my > personal life. Professionally, I like to embrace the practical. > > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 4:59 PM Anshum Gupta <ans...@anshumgupta.net> > wrote: > >> Ok, I buy that reason for leaving the ASF controlled mechanism. >> >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:16 PM Chris Hostetter <hossman_luc...@fucit.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> : Is there any reason at all that we need to hold on to JIRA? ASF allows >>> : us to move all issue handling over to GH, I'd like us to consider such >>> a >>> : move. >>> >>> In my opinion, migrating from JIRA to Github "issues" would be a >>> terrible >>> idea. >>> >>> I have no objections to the goal of "encouraging" and "facilitating" >>> contributions via github from people already using github -- but making >>> github the defacto (or *sole*) way to participate and contribute code >>> means pressuring people into accepting the github TOS (not just >>> now, but whatever those might be in the future) as well as making it >>> virtually impossible for people to participate if they are in locations >>> github has decided to block (ie: Iran, Syria, and Crimea ATM + whomever >>> else the US decides to sanction down the road) >>> >>> Opening up, or expanding, pathways for participation is one thing -- >>> I'm all in favor of that (even if I personally can't stand those >>> avenues). >>> >>> But *closing* existing path ways that are currently entirely "open" and >>> "free" to anyone that wants to participate w/o any limitations or TOS >>> other then "Provide an ASF controled and owned website with an email >>> address" ... that's just sad. >>> >>> >>> -Hoss >>> http://www.lucidworks.com/ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Anshum Gupta >> > > > -- > - Mark > > http://about.me/markrmiller > -- - Mark http://about.me/markrmiller
