: ASF has us legally covered, and from the foundation's side, GitHub : issues is equal to JIRA issues and GitHub PRs are equal to patches in : JIRA.
: > People that wish to continue using their Apache committer accounts to : commit code may continue doing so on gitbox.apache.org with their Apache : credentials. Nothing has changed in that respect. : So the argument against TOS or personal M$ dislikes or principles won't hold here. : : We can continue accepting JIRA issues, patches and commits to GitBox for : those who favor those tools for any reason. But we can equally well : embrace the entire GitHub tooling which was made available to us by ASF Ok -- everybody chill for a second. I made a specific comment regarding github TOS/access in response to a *very* specific suggestion. As a refresher, the specific suggestion i was responding to was this... : > : Is there any reason at all that we need to hold on to JIRA? ASF allows : > : us to move all issue handling over to GH, I'd like us to consider such a : > : move. : > : > In my opinion, migrating from JIRA to Github "issues" would be a terrible : > idea. ...that's it. *replacing* JIRA with github-issues is the specific idea i was saying was terrible. Arguments that the code is still safe, and that committers who don't trust github can still push directly to gitbox w/o needing to accept 3rd party TOS; and that patches in github PRs are just as legally valid as patches in Jira are all fine -- but completely irrelevant to my comment. Likewise: Arguments that people who don't agree to github TOS, or can't access github could still be contribute via JIRA make zero sense in the specific hypothetical scenerio i was replying to where JIRA no longer exists. As i said before: if folks want to encourage and facilitate more direct integration and contributions & reviews via github -- using whatever weird ass github workflows or integrations or "hooks" or whatnot that github offers -- then cool, go for it, i'm all in favor of opening those doors (evne if i don't plan on using them much). what i objected to was *closing* a door (again: specificly, migrating off of JIRA completely) that is currently open to anyone and saying it's not neccessary because we've open a new door that comes with a lot of restrictions and baggage. : > I have no objections to the goal of "encouraging" and "facilitating" : > contributions via github from people already using github -- but making : > github the defacto (or *sole*) way to participate and contribute code : > means pressuring people into accepting the github TOS (not just : > now, but whatever those might be in the future) as well as making it : > virtually impossible for people to participate if they are in locations : > github has decided to block (ie: Iran, Syria, and Crimea ATM + whomever : > else the US decides to sanction down the road) : > : > Opening up, or expanding, pathways for participation is one thing -- : > I'm all in favor of that (even if I personally can't stand those avenues). : > : > But *closing* existing path ways that are currently entirely "open" and : > "free" to anyone that wants to participate w/o any limitations or TOS : > other then "Provide an ASF controled and owned website with an email : > address" ... that's just sad. -Hoss http://www.lucidworks.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org
