>From my experience people hating var will also hate completionstage and at some point streams (or they willfully embrace them just using forEach which is a counter usage IMHO). Every time I digged it was 100% a knowledge+(IT) culture thing. But once again, I'm not sure it is about us - if so I would say I don't care much - but how attracting we can be since our community is not crazy active outside.
This is for an an opportunity we should take IMHO. Now if we just want to speak about style and lib usage I guess we have enough threads showing we all diverge so not sure there is a way to converge anytime - nor the need to be honest. Romain Manni-Bucau @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book <https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance> Le ven. 23 févr. 2024 à 15:10, Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net> a écrit : > Make love not var! > > T > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 3:09 PM Xeno Amess <xenoam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I hate var. > > ________________________________ > > From: Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net> > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 9:52:08 PM > > To: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Java version for Maven > > > > Howdy, > > > > Some more stats based on 2nd package from Brian > > > > https://gist.github.com/cstamas/8207f8d70882090a1c63cdedc256ec56 > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:08 PM Elliotte Rusty Harold < > elh...@ibiblio.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Yes, with var you still get type checks, unlike in Python. But I have > > > wasted so much time debugging Python code simply because the type of a > > > local variable wasn't right there in the declaration that I remain > > > unconvinced var was ever a good idea. I have been convinced by > > > experience that implicitly typed local variables dramatically reduce > > > debugging speed. This isn't something I believed two years ago. Back > > > then I mostly didn't think about it. But since then I have worked a > > > lot with implicit typing, and it is painful. > > > > > > IDEs are not a full solution. They're better in Java than Python, I > > > admit, but I spend more time reading code in tools like Github and > > > Critique than in IDEs. > > > > > > I don't think banning var goes against the community in any way. It's > > > simply another style choice for improved readability and > > > maintainability, like everything spotless and checkstyle currently do. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:58 PM Romain Manni-Bucau > > > <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Le ven. 23 févr. 2024 à 13:44, Elliotte Rusty Harold < > > elh...@ibiblio.org> > > > a > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:23 PM Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > @Elliotte while you are pretty right in terms of *compile* > features > > > but > > > > > it > > > > > > ignores the biggest criteria for any ASF project : the community. > > > Even if > > > > > > silly, attracting people with Java 8 is born dead today (to > > > illustrate it > > > > > > just ask somebody to no more use "var" to do a PR for ex, he will > > > start > > > > > to > > > > > > "pfffff" ;)). > > > > > > > > > > Going off on a tangent but I would reject any PR that showed up in > my > > > > > code review queue that used "var", regardless of JDK version. It's > an > > > > > abomination that should never have been added to Java. It > prioritizes > > > > > a trivial speed up in writing code at the cost of a significant > slow > > > > > down in reading and debugging code. Working in Python for the last > > > > > couple of years has thoroughly convinced me that strong, explicit > > > > > compile time types are the right way to go. I've seen what happens > > > > > when you don't have them, and it's not fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I assume you never used it to write that cause you don't loose > compile > > > > checks, you are not slower to read nor debug but generally faster > cause > > > > readability is increased and if you miss the 35 char long type your > > > > preferred IDE will compensate that easily. > > > > It is literally similar to streams or even plain old java, it depends > > the > > > > habit of the coder but if we consider that we would also prevent > > foreach > > > > usage. > > > > You can also reverse it and write the exact same sentence on "not > using > > > > var", how slow it is to read such a code where half of the chars > don't > > > > bring any useful data or encourage palantir formatting to break on > > > multiple > > > > lines a single statement. > > > > So IMHO this is not something right to think nor even consider. > > > > > > > > Ultimately the point is not "do we think it is good or not", it is > > > > literally that if we go against the move then we go against the > > > community - > > > > keep in mind we should probably not be the primary citizens there - > and > > > > therefore I'm not sure the point to be at Apache if we don't care > about > > > our > > > > community. > > > > I'm clearly to stay there and enable people to join rather than > staying > > > > alone 10 years ago (happy anniversary java 8 ;)). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Elliotte Rusty Harold > > > > > elh...@ibiblio.org > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Elliotte Rusty Harold > > > elh...@ibiblio.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
