Yep you got a point, I hate streams either.(especially when using streams be not necessary.)
Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> 于2024年2月23日周五 22:43写道： > From my experience people hating var will also hate completionstage and at > some point streams (or they willfully embrace them just using forEach which > is a counter usage IMHO). > Every time I digged it was 100% a knowledge+(IT) culture thing. > But once again, I'm not sure it is about us - if so I would say I don't > care much - but how attracting we can be since our community is not crazy > active outside. > > This is for an an opportunity we should take IMHO. > > Now if we just want to speak about style and lib usage I guess we have > enough threads showing we all diverge so not sure there is a way to > converge anytime - nor the need to be honest. > > Romain Manni-Bucau > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > https://github.com/rmannibucau> | > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > < > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance > > > > > Le ven. 23 févr. 2024 à 15:10, Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net> a > écrit : > > > Make love not var! > > > > T > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 3:09 PM Xeno Amess <xenoam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I hate var. > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net> > > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 9:52:08 PM > > > To: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org> > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Java version for Maven > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > Some more stats based on 2nd package from Brian > > > > > > https://gist.github.com/cstamas/8207f8d70882090a1c63cdedc256ec56 > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:08 PM Elliotte Rusty Harold < > > elh...@ibiblio.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, with var you still get type checks, unlike in Python. But I have > > > > wasted so much time debugging Python code simply because the type of > a > > > > local variable wasn't right there in the declaration that I remain > > > > unconvinced var was ever a good idea. I have been convinced by > > > > experience that implicitly typed local variables dramatically reduce > > > > debugging speed. This isn't something I believed two years ago. Back > > > > then I mostly didn't think about it. But since then I have worked a > > > > lot with implicit typing, and it is painful. > > > > > > > > IDEs are not a full solution. They're better in Java than Python, I > > > > admit, but I spend more time reading code in tools like Github and > > > > Critique than in IDEs. > > > > > > > > I don't think banning var goes against the community in any way. It's > > > > simply another style choice for improved readability and > > > > maintainability, like everything spotless and checkstyle currently > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:58 PM Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Le ven. 23 févr. 2024 à 13:44, Elliotte Rusty Harold < > > > elh...@ibiblio.org> > > > > a > > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:23 PM Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @Elliotte while you are pretty right in terms of *compile* > > features > > > > but > > > > > > it > > > > > > > ignores the biggest criteria for any ASF project : the > community. > > > > Even if > > > > > > > silly, attracting people with Java 8 is born dead today (to > > > > illustrate it > > > > > > > just ask somebody to no more use "var" to do a PR for ex, he > will > > > > start > > > > > > to > > > > > > > "pfffff" ;)). > > > > > > > > > > > > Going off on a tangent but I would reject any PR that showed up > in > > my > > > > > > code review queue that used "var", regardless of JDK version. > It's > > an > > > > > > abomination that should never have been added to Java. It > > prioritizes > > > > > > a trivial speed up in writing code at the cost of a significant > > slow > > > > > > down in reading and debugging code. Working in Python for the > last > > > > > > couple of years has thoroughly convinced me that strong, explicit > > > > > > compile time types are the right way to go. I've seen what > happens > > > > > > when you don't have them, and it's not fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I assume you never used it to write that cause you don't loose > > compile > > > > > checks, you are not slower to read nor debug but generally faster > > cause > > > > > readability is increased and if you miss the 35 char long type your > > > > > preferred IDE will compensate that easily. > > > > > It is literally similar to streams or even plain old java, it > depends > > > the > > > > > habit of the coder but if we consider that we would also prevent > > > foreach > > > > > usage. > > > > > You can also reverse it and write the exact same sentence on "not > > using > > > > > var", how slow it is to read such a code where half of the chars > > don't > > > > > bring any useful data or encourage palantir formatting to break on > > > > multiple > > > > > lines a single statement. > > > > > So IMHO this is not something right to think nor even consider. > > > > > > > > > > Ultimately the point is not "do we think it is good or not", it is > > > > > literally that if we go against the move then we go against the > > > > community - > > > > > keep in mind we should probably not be the primary citizens there - > > and > > > > > therefore I'm not sure the point to be at Apache if we don't care > > about > > > > our > > > > > community. > > > > > I'm clearly to stay there and enable people to join rather than > > staying > > > > > alone 10 years ago (happy anniversary java 8 ;)). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Elliotte Rusty Harold > > > > > > elh...@ibiblio.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Elliotte Rusty Harold > > > > elh...@ibiblio.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
