On 07/12/2006, at 2:25 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 6 Dec 06, at 8:16 PM 6 Dec 06, Brett Porter wrote:
I generally agree with what John has said in the thread so far. I
think this is a good thing: a nice out of the box installation
Define nice? If it's an installation that is different then
something standard that users typically get then it is a not a good
thing. I can just see the threads now:
Yes, a definite downside to doing it that way and something I'd like
to see an explanation for from Carl and Deepak. However, the converse
is also true - your average Fedora user might be frustrated that
Maven's config isn't in /etc like everything else.
I think we have far more pressing concerns then worrying about.
This is definitely not a priority for the vast majority of our
users. Releasing 2.0.5, 2.1, and plugins are definitely of more
interest I would imagine.
Sure, but we're only going to get towards that by letting people work
on the things that affect them. I'm not bumping anything off my
personal priority list for this, but I'm happy to help others work on
it if it's what they need. I don't think Carl is interested in
working on plugins :)
And there is some very tangible 2.1 benefits from this work in the
space of dependency management and offline handling if it is done right.
Everyone has lived without RPMs and I don't think we've ever had a
single request for one.
I don't remember a specific instance, but I'm sure there are some who
would like them. Either way, we need to consider Fedora as a consumer
of Maven and that they know what their users want, which apparently
is Maven bundled with Fedora. That shouldn't be discounted. Honestly,
I think it'd do us well to remember that Maven isn't the centre of
the universe on occasion.
I do know for certain we've had lots of requests from the Debian and
Gentoo crowds to be able to bootstrap from source for inclusion in
those distributions, so I don't see anything different here.
If it is something where a package was made and it looked the same
as we do now that's great. If it created a barrier where someone
who was using Maven on Windows and then moves to Redhat and
installs Maven as they are accustomed to and some default system
version kicks in because it's in the path first and produces
completely unexpected output then that's a bad thing.
I don't see it as a barrier. They can still do it how they used to.
If they choose to use the one that comes with Fedora then they get
the consequences of that choice, just like if they are using Firefox
and all their profile is in a new location.
Anyone can knock themselves out.
Well, +1 to that :)
- Brett
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