I think you'll find in the archives of this list plenty of agreement and 
thoughts about how to change / simplify. It just needs someone willing to start 
:)

- Brett

On 09/07/2011, at 8:24 PM, Robert Scholte wrote:

> 
> 
> I agree with Tim here. Compare the maven[1] and gradle[2] homepages. The 
> gradle page is pretty clean (too clean?) and you know immediately where to 
> download the bundle.The maven site has a huge amount of text, all links look 
> the same so I can imagine that newbies get a bit lost, already on this page. 
> That can't be right.I think it's more than adding a huge download button. 
> IMHO the pages should reflect the role of the visitor (starter, user, 
> developer) instead of summing up all the handy stuff, but that's a real 
> challenge. -Robert [1] http://maven.apache.org[2] http://gradle.org
>> From: vsive...@apache.org
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 23:11:20 -0400
>> Subject: Re: Maven Download Procedure
>> To: dev@maven.apache.org
>> 
>> Well, 3 clicks vs 1 click to get Maven vs gradle from the main page,
>> not a big deal IMHO.
>> Apache Ant gives it in 2 clicks by catching the right mirror.
>> Apache Tomcat 2 clicks by catching the right mirror.
>> Apache Directory gives it in 3 clicks.
>> and so on
>> 
>> So, I think we are not so bad.
>> 
>> Vincent
>> 
>> 2011/7/8 Tim O'Brien <tobr...@discursive.com>:
>>> I had to write this process down for the millionth time today.  Here it
>>> is: the current procedure for downloading Maven (without using figures).
>>> 
>>> 1. Go to http://maven.apache.org.
>>> 2. On the right-hand side of the page, you should see a section with the
>>> title "Get Maven 3.0.3".
>>> 3. Click on the first link in this section, the link titled "Maven 3.0.3"
>>> next to the folder icon. This will take you to a list of Maven
>>> distributions.
>>> 4. Click on one of the archive links (apache-maven-3.0.3-bin.tgz or
>>> apache-maven-3.0.3-bin.zip) in the "Mirrors" column of this table.
>>> 5. You should then see the "Apache Download Mirrors" page.
>>> 6. Click on one of the Mirror URLs and download Apache Maven.
>>> 
>>> Can we figure out a way to make it this easy?
>>> 
>>> 1. Go to http://maven.apache.org
>>> 2. Click on one of the Download buttons to download Maven.
>>> 
>>> Is /dyn/closer.cgi a Foundation requirement?   Is there any project that
>>> uses an alternative?  I see closer.cgi used on Tapestry and CouchDB.
>>> Apache Directory looks like it uses an intuitive approach (without
>>> breaking user experience):
>>> http://directory.apache.org/apacheds/2.0/download/download-windows.html
>>> 
>>> If you are curious as to why I'm interested in this now.   It is because I'm
>>> starting to pay much closer attention to Gradle, and Gradle gets this right.
>>> The process to download Gradle is:
>>> 
>>> 1. Go to http://gradle.org
>>> 2. Click on the download link
>>> 
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