I don't think it is possible to force volunteer efforts and/or limit
development elsewhere. The idea of supporting a project is a vague notion.
I have my opinions too but this language is clearly unenforceable and
impractical.

Cheers,
Paul


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Markus Karg <k...@quipsy.de> wrote:

> As a Maven user I think that everybody who is working on a project should
> behave the same. Hence, I would say, PMC members should rather certainly
> demonstrate how to live the community rules.
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Stephen Connolly [mailto:stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Juli 2013 15:16
> An: Maven Users List; Maven Developers List
> Betreff: [DISCUSS] Should the Maven PMC be an example of how we want the
> Maven Community to behave (was Re: svn commit: r1506778 -
> /maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md)
>
> There are two schools of thought amongst the current members of this
> projects PMC.
>
> Without wanting to deliberately tip my hand and reveal where my opinion
> is, we would like to solicit the opinions if the community that we serve.
>
> Please give us your thoughts.
>
> The topic is essentially:
>
> Do you want the members of the Maven PMC to be social leaders of the Maven
> community, who's actions demonstrate the best community behaviour?
>
> The alternative is that members of the Maven PMC are here purely to
> complete the legal requirements that an Apache TLP has delegated to PMCs
>
> This is not black and white... The answer can be grey... And everyone is
> human so can make mistakes...
>
> So community, what are you expecting?
>
> - Stephen Connolly
>
> On Thursday, 25 July 2013, wrote:
>
> > Author: jdcasey
> > Date: Wed Jul 24 23:21:58 2013
> > New Revision: 1506778
> >
> > URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1506778
> > Log:
> > Adding section on PMC standards of community commitment
> >
> > Modified:
> >     maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md
> >
> > Modified: maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md
> > URL:
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project
> > -roles.md?rev=1506778&r1=1506777&r2=1506778&view=diff
> >
> > ======================================================================
> > ========
> > --- maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md (original)
> > +++ maven/site/trunk/content/markdown/project-roles.md Wed Jul 24
> > 23:21:58 2013
> > @@ -176,6 +176,29 @@ The Project Management Committee has the
> >  * Voting on release artifacts.
> >  * <!-- TODO: get the rest of these -->
> >
> > +#### Standards for Community Commitment
> > +
> > +In the spirit of supporting the health of our community, Project
> > +Management Committee members refrain from actions that subvert the
> > +functioning of the committee itself.
> > +
> > +First, Project Management Committee members should not maintain
> > long-running
> > +forks of Maven code outside of the project itself. Making significant
> > +changes to Maven code outside of the project displays a lack of
> > +investment in the community. Additionally, attempting to re-integrate
> > +a large number of code changes in bulk overwhelms the ability of
> > +volunteers in the community to review (and potentially veto) the
> > +changes. This effectively thwarts the policing function of the PMC.
> > +
> > +Second, Project Management Committee members should not divert work
> > +on redesigning, reimplementing, or improving Maven code to
> > +alternative projects outside of this community for the purposes of
> > +reintroducing them as replacement for existing Maven code. While
> > +there is a danger here of falling into a Not Invented Here mentality,
> > +new
> > projects
> > +created by Maven PMC members strictly to replace Maven code should
> > +not be allowed.
> > +
> >  ### [Project Management Chair](
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#pmc-chair)
> >
> >  For various legal reasons, there are certain things that the Apache
> >
> >
> >
>
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Cheers,
Paul

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