Ok, I'm going to pull the ripcord tonight (8 hours from now). On Jan 21, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote:
> So after looking at the issues more closely even at the 5 year-old mark there > are still too many. At the 2 year-old mark it's a bit more reasonable. If I > close all issues older than 2 years-old which are not assigned thats 415 so > we would be left with 220 open issues which after a week or two I can > probably get through, faster with some help. But that's probably reasonable > as more recent issues are pertinent to 3.x as I myself am probably not going > to dig back into 2.x issues and fix them. > > So I propose sending a note to the dev and user list stating that we're > trying to get the JIRA issue under control. We're closing all unassigned > issues older than 2 years but people are free to reopen issues for bugs if > they follow a process of providing a working stand-alone example of the > problem. > > This will at least start the cleanup process. > > How's that sound? > > On Jan 20, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: > >> Ok, I'll write something up and send it to the user and dev list. >> >> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> +1 here. >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Anders Hammar <and...@hammar.net> wrote: >>>> +1 on clean up if we communicate this (and explain why). >>>> 0 on move >>>> >>>> /Anders >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Dominik Bartholdi <d...@fortysix.ch> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 cleanup is a really good idea! >>>>> >>>>> On 20.01.2014, at 18:50, Arnaud Héritier <aherit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> +1 with a jira cleanup (but documented and announced to users to let them >>>>>> understand what we do and why) >>>>>> +1 to move to ASF >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Works for me to just start over on the ASF JIRA. There are a couple >>>>> issues >>>>>>> I'd move but we can migrate a issues easily. What can't continue is the >>>>>>> complete, incomprehensible mess that is there now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Stephen Connolly < >>>>>>> stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we are going wholesale dumping issues (and I am not against that), I >>>>>>>> have a more radical suggestion... let's just move core to the ASF >>>>> JIRA... >>>>>>>> with next to no issues needing migration it would be easy ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 20 January 2014 17:23, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Really, it's more about dropping a nuclear bomb on JIRA. While trying >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> sift through it this weekend it's clear to me it's less than ideal in >>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are issues that are 12 years old and while there might be some >>>>>>>>> useful information in there that we hand select, I think anything that >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> older than 5 years we should just close as incomplete because with the >>>>>>>>> great deal of change that's happened with 3.x most of it isn't >>>>> relevant >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> if it is, and someone cares that much then it can be reopened with a >>>>>>>>> stand-alone working example of the problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, as to the requirements for a stand-alone working example I think >>>>> we >>>>>>>>> should enforce this because personally I'm not going to check out >>>>>>> someone's >>>>>>>>> project, figure out how to interpret it in relation to the actual >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>> in Maven and then create a project I can turn into an IT. I'm just not >>>>>>>>> going to do it generally. There might be exceptions but I don't want >>>>> to >>>>>>>>> read a textual examples or try to figure out snippets of a production >>>>>>>>> project that can't be shared. In m2e we require a working example >>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>> to even look at a problem and if the issue sits there for a year with >>>>> a >>>>>>>>> working sample project we close it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Having an issue tracking system with 700 open issues is useless, so I >>>>>>>>> would like to do a mass purge. It shouldn't really get beyond 50 open >>>>>>>>> issues or it's just impossible to manage effectively. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not sure what anyone else thinks but our JIRA situation is just not >>>>>>>>> effective. I'm thinking anything over 5 years old that isn't assigned >>>>>>> to a >>>>>>>>> core developer we just close as incomplete and then see what we're >>>>> left >>>>>>>>> with. If anyone complains then we point them at doco (I'll write it) >>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> creating a stand-alone project because otherwise it become >>>>> impossible. I >>>>>>>>> spent 8 hours over the weekend looking at issues trying to interpret >>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> someone was trying to say and I don't want to guess. If the user cares >>>>>>>>> enough they can make an example project. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl >>>>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will >>>>>>>>> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will >>>>> come >>>>>>>>> and sit softly on your shoulder ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Thoreau >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> Jason van Zyl >>>>>>> Founder, Apache Maven >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> believe nothing, no matter where you read it, >>>>>>> or who has said it, >>>>>>> not even if i have said it, >>>>>>> unless it agrees with your own reason >>>>>>> and your own common sense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Buddha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Arnaud Héritier >>>>>> http://aheritier.net >>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com >>>>>> Twitter/Skype : aheritier >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org >>> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jason >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Jason van Zyl >> Founder, Apache Maven >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> There's no sense in being precise when you don't even know what you're >> talking about. >> >> -- John von Neumann >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Thanks, > > Jason > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Jason van Zyl > Founder, Apache Maven > http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Script timed out:/Users/jvanzyl/signature/signature.sh > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jason ---------------------------------------------------------- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl --------------------------------------------------------- We know what we are, but know not what we may be. -- Shakespeare
