On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < charles-h.sch...@laposte.net> wrote:
> Hello Alexandro, > > Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:37:33 -0500, > Alexandro Colorado <j...@openoffice.org> a écrit : > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Charles-H. Schulz < > > charles-h.sch...@laposte.net> wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I think this mail will prove that we can have sometimes no conflict > > > of interest. Wearing my hat of the Document Foundation, I'd like to > > > state the following things: > > > - Everyone, yes, everyone is welcome to join the LibreOffice Project > > > and the Document Foundation. > > > - We, the Document Foundation, have not asked to Alexandro Colorado > > > to put that message on any web page of the OOo ES project. > > > - He and the ES community are welcome to join us, but it is by > > > leaving contributors free to choose their own path and not by > > > forcing them that we work. We believe in freedom, not constraint, > > > and do not wish to see confusion taking place. > > > > > > Wearing my OOo NLC hat: > > > - unilateral actions depriving contributors of the > > > most elementary tools of communication are a very bad thing. While > > > I'm sure some people may disagree, debates and discussions are > > > good, not constraint, one cannot just shut up mailing lists out of > > > the blue. I would like to ask Alexandro, if that's possible to > > > reinstate the mailing lists and their archive. > > > > > > > We are moving to our own mailing list, so for that, we are compiling a > > database of the members of the list, *we are still subscribing them > > to the list*. However through a database 'proxy' where we could > > retrieve the 'community' of contributors. We have held several > > meetings on the matter and agree the message was a bit missleading. > > But to say that we were shutting down the lists, well the lists are > > still running and can still be consulted openly. > > okay. But then it is not accurate to say that you are joining the > Document Foundation. In fact you're not joining it. You are seceding > from the OpenOffice.org community, that's accurate. > I am not sure if migrating out the list is a secede of the OpenOffice.org community. But Louis brought a point with the use of resources, and I guess if we want to support other products, we should own those resources as opposed to Collabnet. Wiki, pootle, etc, guess could remain there for the time being. > > Best, > Charles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Charles-H. Schulz. > > > > > > > > > Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:57:53 -0300, > > > Ariel Constenla-Haile <ariel.constenla.ha...@googlemail.com> a > > > écrit : > > > > > > > Hello Louis, > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 19 October 2010, 01:36, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: > > > > > I just learned of this site on the ES project and would > > > > > respectfully ask the lead of the project—Alexandro—to remove > > > > > it, as it would seem to only instil confusion in the community, > > > > > and to me is a transgressive use—a misuse—of OpenOffice.org > > > > > resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html > > > > > > > > me and other members of the Spanish-speaking community have been > > > > asking him to remove this page, and put the link to the project > > > > lists http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList > > > > > > > > And this since the 4th October without any kind of answer from his > > > > side, see > > > > http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=9038 > > > > > > > > Notice that the original message on > > > > http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html said > > > > > > > > "Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de > > > > OpenOffice.org a DocumentFoundation y LibreOffice. Favor de > > > > registrarte aqu en:" > > > > > > > > last time I checked this, on Sunday. > > > > Now the message has changed to > > > > > > > > "Estamos trabajando en migrar a las nuevas listas de OOoES. Favor > > > > de registrarte aqu en:" > > > > > > > > but anyway this is not like > > > > http://es.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList > > > > and it seems he is still trying to collect OOo user's mails using > > > > OOo resources to migrate them when there is an ES LO mailing > > > > list, as said in his original message: > > > > > > > > "facilitar la migracion a DocumentFoundation asociandote a nuestra > > > > newsletter para poder mantener tu correo y contactarte con el > > > > nuevo correo que posiblemente haya en DocumentFoundation en > > > > Espanol." > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides this, I find very un-ethical that > > > > > > > > * while he unilaterally took the decision to put the message on > > > > http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html > > > > > > > > * he is still being Co-Lead of http://es.openoffice.org > > > > Co-Lead of http://education.openoffice.org > > > > Project Lead of http://certification.openoffice.org/ > > > > > > > > * he is evidently promoting LO/TDF, see > > > > http://www.slideshare.net/jza/10-aos-de-openofficeorg > > > > and his obvious invitation orignally on > > > > http://es.openoffice.org/comunidad/listas.html (not the one you > > > > can read today) > > > > > > > > I find very un-ethical that he sees no COI at all, and still > > > > tries to travel using OOo reources > > > > > http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=31039 > > > > But this discussion is for another thread... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@native-lang.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@native-lang.openoffice.org > > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
