IMHO, if nb-javac should be retired in the long term or 12.0+ we should find a way to decouple availability of JDK features from runtime JDK. It feels odd to have the latest JDK to be the runtime JDK if If want to use it for a single project for example. That's something I personally prefer by using nb-javac. BTW it also seems to work much faster, too.
Benjamin On 03.04.2020 08:11, Jan Lahoda wrote: > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:10 PM Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > >>> Aside from that, for 12.0, should we downplay the usage of nb-javac as >> much as possible and not make it so prominently available -- we should be >> encouraging the usage of the latest LTS, which is 11 and not 8. >> >> I'm concerned that "downplaying" nb-javac will discourage us from >> maintaining it. >> > I guess I think we should reduce the intensity of NetBeans pushing the user > to download nb-javac, which I think is what Geertjan says. There is a > number of reasons to that - over the past few years, the gap between > NetBeans+nb-javac and NetBeans+recent JDK javac got much smaller, having > nb-javac is in some cases even undesirable (as NetBeans is still using the > JDK 13-based nb-javac, no JDK 14 language features are available, AFAIK), > etc. So pushing users hard to install nb-javac while they run on JDK 14 > does not seem very good to me. (What to do when running on JDK 13 is > unclear to me.) > > Jan > > >> I understand that the JDK-based javac is the way to go in the long term. >> But http://wiki.netbeans.org/JavacDiff lists a lot of good reasons why >> nb-javac had to exist, and until all of these requirements are met by the >> new approach, it seems dangerous to abandon nb-javac. In the short-term, >> the most high-quality solution would seem to be to stick with nb-javac, >> updating and fixing bugs in the latter while waiting for JDK-based javac to >> catch up feature-wise. >> >> What is our strategy here? >> >> -- Eirik >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> >> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:09 AM >> To: dev <dev@netbeans.apache.org> >> Subject: Forced to download nb-javac even when not selected >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've encountered this one too: >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4078 >> >> i.e., I'm running NB on JDK 14, I do not select the nb-javac checkbox. I >> click Download and Activate. >> >> And then I am shown that the nb-javac editing support library will be >> downloaded, even though I did not select it. >> >> Aside from that, for 12.0, should we downplay the usage of nb-javac as >> much as possible and not make it so prominently available -- we should be >> encouraging the usage of the latest LTS, which is 11 and not 8. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Gj >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> >> >> >>
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