Dne středa 21. října 2020 20:37:16 CEST, Laszlo Kishalmi napsal(a): > That would be fine, I just have one concern: Apache Licensing Policy.
David Nalley has joined the discussion and indicated Apache maintains accounts for iOS and Android publishing, btw. > And that could be a hard one to crack. So if we ever decide to ship > something non Apache Compliant stuff, like nb-javac or something else > with the VSCode Extension, it won't be really possible under the Apache > umbrella. Right, it is clear that Apache isn't going to distribute nb-javac. Let me describe the solution from a technical perspective. The PR https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2447 introduces concept of extensibility: "the launcher ... scans all activated extensions and collects clusters from (their) `nbcode` subdirectory. As such it is possible for various VSCode extensions to contribute modules into the same backend and enhance its functionality." Thus the solution to nb-javac problem is: An independent entity shall release and upload to the Marketplace an extension with `nbcode` subdirectory providing the nb-javac modules. When users install "Apache NetBeans Language Server" extension as well as the extension providing nb-javac, the extensions find each other and start to co-operate. > So I'd propose not to tie the Publisher with Apache. It could > be an independent publisher group who can be eventually be member of the > Apache NetBeans community and also use the "built on Apache NetBeans" > rather than "built by Apache NetBeans". Though the later one sounds > better, but has many restrictions. This is also perfectly valid option, although I slightly prefer release of the "Apache NetBeans Language Server" extension by ASF, if we can make it in time (see David Nalley email). Best regards. -jt > On 10/21/20 11:12 AM, Martin Balin wrote: > > Hello, > > My name is Martin Balin (mbalin) and I worked on NetBeans for a while > > since 1999 till 2017. Now I'm working with Jaroslav Tulach, Dusan > > Balek , Jan Lahoda and others on "Apache NetBeans Language Server" a > > proposed name by Geertjan. > > > > I'm writing to you re releasing the extension on VSCode Marketplace. > > > > I propose to create VSCode Marketplace Publisher, called "Apache > > NetBeans" owned by NetBeans community. > > > > The most important aspect of publishing, except for extension itself, > > are the Owners of the Publisher, the people who can publish the > > extension and add other people. I propose to put there people from > > NetBeans community like Geertjan and 1-2 others with Owner privileges, > > but this is completely up to community to decide. I'd like to nominate > > Dušan Bálek (dbalek) as he has a broad experience with VSCode > > extension development and publishing as well. > > > > Once the Apache NetBeans Language Server extension complementary > > binary is published by normal Apache channels, the Owners will upload > > it to VSCode Marketplace. > > > > Shall I proceed to create Apache NetBeans Publisher on Marketplace? > > > > Regards, > > Martin Balin > > > > ...with NetBeans since 1999 > > > > On 15. 10. 20 20:20, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >> If it’s released by Apache, so why not Apache NetBeans Language Server. > >> > >> Gj > >> > >> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 19:52, Jaroslav Tulach > >> <jaroslav.tul...@gmail.com> > >> > >> wrote: > >>> Hi. > >>> The VSCode extension source is in and ready for testing and bugreports. > >>> Instructions to build your own version are here: > >>> > >>> > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/mast > >>> er/java/java.lsp.server/vscode/README.md__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5f > >>> Q4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_QuFL9yg$ > >>> > >>> > >>> Sváťa, Dušan, Martin, and others are now ready to bugfix a bit to > >>> stabilize > >>> the behavior. Of course, thanks everyone helping us with reviews and > >>> bugfixes, as the fixes may be spread around almost all NetBeans > >>> codebase. > >>> > >>> Assuming everything gets sufficiently bugfixed in the next few weeks > >>> and a > >>> good enough version of VSCode extension is released by Laszlo in the > >>> source > >>> form, it is then reasonable to ask: What's going to happen next? > >>> > >>> There has already been a VSCode extension release as Jan wrote: > >>>> FWIW, Apache NetBeans has already released the VS Code extension in > >>>> the > >>> > >>> past: > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/net > >>> beans-dev/202004.mbox/*3CCALd*3D3dHVyENu*2Bj5o9stvP9_o*2B6FquTdzG7Wx-s-G > >>> 5-_RdVeaDw*40mail.gmail.com*3E__;JSUlJSUl!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4 > >>> YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI9f4urS-g$ > >>> > >>> > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/netbea > >>> ns/netbeans-vscode-ext/0.0.1/apache-netbeans-java-0.0.1.vsix__;!!GqivPVa > >>> 7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI_uwUlArQ > >>> $ > >>> > >>> > >>> Let's repeat it. Let's release a convenience binary with the extension > >>> again. I guess one of us, mentioned above, is going to take over the > >>> build > >>> and vote process. Is that OK? > >>> > >>> Then, the next step is to upload the extension to [Microsoft > >>> Marketplace]( > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode_ > >>> _;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4YkjIfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAY > >>> PjI-UzIPmnw$ ), so it is available to users > >>> worldwide and other extensions can depend on it. How do we handle > >>> this kind > >>> of upload? > >>> > >>> I am not aware of any Apache project uploading something to the > >>> Marketplace. I am not sure if Apache has credentials to do it. If so, > >>> great, let's use them. > >>> > >>> If not, let me suggest (a heretic) approach. My organization has an > >>> account. We have already uploaded some extensions in there (like > >>> > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?i > >>> temName=oracle-labs-graalvm.graalvm__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!MVnlg4_TNkUD5fQ4Ykj > >>> IfiUQWFP4fSqo5hC5frqf_tNWIIFLbxqrTAYPjI-USXwuDA$ > >>> > >>> ). > >>> Just the uploader would be "oracle-labs" not "jlahoda" (current name > >>> in the > >>> extension). This touches Apache copyright, so I am not sure if that > >>> is OK, > >>> but from my perspective it would be just a redistribution of the same > >>> source (we can probably modify our scripts to take the name from a > >>> property > >>> - e.g. `-Dauthor=oracle-labs` would build the extension ready for > >>> upload > >>> from the released sources). > >>> > >>> Last, but not least. What shall be the name of the extension? I've > >>> heard > >>> > >>> following suggestion: > >>>> *After a while I incline towards* > >>> > >>> *:* > >>> *> - NetBeans Java Language Server* > >>> *> - NetBeans Language Server* > >>> *> 2nd is more language neutral for the future extensions of this > >>> server.* > >>> > >>> Clearly, even if the extension gets uploaded by a non-Apache party, I'd > >>> like to keep the NetBeans trademark in there. Good promotion of the > >>> work > >>> Apache community provides! I hope we find a way to do so. Assuming > >>> there is > >>> a way, what name the Apache community wants to give to this `.vsix` > >>> convenience binary? > >>> > >>> Thank you for your support and opinions. > >>> -jt > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
