On 22/10/24 4:50 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 12:31, Geertjan Wielenga
<geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:25 PM Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote:
Multiple people have expressed massive reservations on this already.
Michael expressed a -0.99 already. Given code changes are really +1
or -1 anyway, I'll lend the -0.01 until his and other reservations are
adequately considered at least.
I thought the objections were to frgraal, not to nb-javac.
To both - see also
https://lists.apache.org/thread/z0fx3b2vrjx2rqlf07mfr493tqnmc51b
Some of the reservations brought up about frgaal apply to both too
(non-standard build).
I share some of the reservations, but also see some of the benefits.
I'm mostly concerned about the distinct lack of consensus on this as a
way forward.
My recollections of the previous discussion include a lot of opinion;
when the smoke was clearing Neil said in the thread "[DISCUSS] Shall
NetBeans improve Java/JDK? With Frgaal?":
Well, any -1 to a code change is a veto -
https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#votes-on-code-modification
So ...
Also please keep in mind that the context of this discussion is ... a PR.
Any discussion really needs to address the reasons for veto by either
providing alternatives to the original proposal or otherwise addressing the
technical concerns raised. And probably the concerns raised in previous
Frgaal related PRs too.
The link to apache's guidelines for voting was clarifying for me. I'd
like to see a more technical discussion.
And I don't remember much discussion on what best serves the NetBeans
community (might be difficult to get good data here).
And I have to mention one thing that really bugged me: a lot of the
discussion seemed to have the assumption that it's easy for users to use
the latest JDK; I think that's just not accurate (but again don't have
hard data). For me, I have to use Gradle 6.8.x so I can not use the
latest JDK. If it's true in general that many/most users can not use the
latest JDK, that seems like an extremely important data point.
-ernie
Maybe a straight vote on this is the way forward, and we live with the
consequences either way?!
Best wishes,
Neil
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