Hey Gili, sry but those examples are old as Methusalem. In a web world, we are in a fast living century. Nowadays and some years ago, we have now Flex box and it is easy possible. Sure, if you have to fight with old Browsers, you have to made smth Special, but those are Workarounds or polyfills for older Browsers.
If we have a up to date Rendering engine, it will get fast update and we have to update them too in our Code. So no worries to Support older renderer or whatever. Please have a look in up to date Topics, not in Topics that are less relevant. 8 and 10 years, in web? Really? Means everything. Cheers Chris Von: cowwoc Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. März 2018 06:59 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: ApacheHTML/Java UI Hi Toni, I was referring exclusively to Swing's ability to resize components in response to changes in the container size. What makes it "even better" is the ability to specify the desired behavior more directly. Contrast this with HTML where you need to use voodoo magic to center text and images: https://stackoverflow.com/q/396145/14731 and https://stackoverflow.com/q/2939914/14731 * No one solution seems to work for everyone. There is always one browser/platform that doesn't work. * Some solutions that used to work stop working in a few browser releases later. * Users have to write 25+ lines of code to specify "center vertically". And there are 10+ different ways of doing it. And everyone swears their way is the best... but when you try using one solution or another you inevitably discover they each have their own edge cases. Anyway, my point is that HTML is like XML. The syntax was designed for computer consumption, not for readability by human beings. Swing is not amazing by any stretch of the imagination, but it is better in that regard. Gili On 2018-03-18 12:40 AM, Toni Epple wrote: > Gili, > > Are we talking about the same concept of responsiveness? In UI development > this term is used for guis that adapt to a wide variety of screen sizes and > resolutions by applying different layouts, resizing and replacing, > rearranging or showing/hiding components depending on size, pixel density, > but also by using different input methods, like touch gestures, etc. > depending on the device.. CSS has media queries to enable this. Please > enlighten us what Swing has to offer here that makes it „even better“. > > -Toni > > > > Von meinem iPad gesendet > >> Am 18.03.2018 um 00:38 schrieb Gili T. <cow...@bbs.darktech.org>: >> >> I humbly disagree. Last time I played with Swing layouts I remember them >> being able to do responsive UIs even better than HTML. >> >> The only thing that web does better is more existing layouts out of the >> box. That's just a matter of people not technology. >> >> Gili >> >>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 07:39 <toni.ep...@eppleton.de> wrote: >>> >>> Fully agree, and Swing and JavaFX stopped development before the concept >>> of "responsive UIs" became popular. So they have nothing for that. >>> >>> I agree that layout via css used to be painful and hard to understand >>> sometimes, but Flow and especially Grid Layout has completely solved this >>> for me. >>> >>> --Toni >>> >>> >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> >>> Gesendet: Samstag, 17. März 2018 11:06 >>> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >>> Betreff: Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache >>> HTML/Java UI >>> >>> On Sat, 17 Mar 2018, 07:34 Dmitry Avtonomov, <dmitriy.avtono...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> All I'm saying is that with the last N years of unprecedented >>>> attention the web technologies have leaped light years ahead of >>>> everything else in terms of basic UI. >>>> ... >>>> All I need is a good framework on top of swing that would help me out >>>> with those things. In JS there's probably 100s. >>>> >>> You could probably manage all the validation and error display >>> requirements you mention with HTML5's built in form validation without >>> adding any JS at all. >>> >>> As someone working heavily with both Swing and HTML/CSS I find the idea >>> that Swing's layouts are better quite amusing, or I would if I didn't have >>> to fight with them so often! ;-) Mig is about the only one I use from code, >>> Matisse is good but I find its output counterintuitive sometimes. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Neil >>> >>>> -- >>> Neil C Smith >>> Artist & Technologist >>> www.neilcsmith.net >>> >>> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org >>> >>> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >>> >>> >>> >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > >
