Hey Scott, I know what you mean by lack of controls, but that’s what HTML wasn’t for. You can create whatever you want by your own. If you don’t want that, you can search for Control libs, that do the Job for you. And they are some out there. If you use Angular, you have angular material for example. Or jQuery UI or Bootstrap with brings you some data tables. Sure you have to create such Feature by your own, but JTable is what? A Control from Swing, right? It is a GUI Toolkit, so it brings you UI components, that you have to create by your own, so what is wrong with using a community driven, famous UI Framework in HTML that does the Job for you?
Often you talk about hacks, sure there are hacks for HTML for polyfills for different Browsers, but the codepen is not a hack, it is how the Job is done. And scss so pure CSS, no JS. Cheers Chris Von: Scott Palmer Gesendet: Montag, 19. März 2018 20:57 An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org Betreff: Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: ApacheHTML/Java UI > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 at 16:40 Scott Palmer <swpal...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Toni, (replying off-list as this really isn’t about NetBeans) >> ... >> Can you point me to one of those third party components that can do what >> JTable or TableView already does? >> > > As didn't quite manage off-list ;-) Yes… I caught that the second after pressing send ;-). Figured I already spammed the list once, so I wouldn’t send an “oops” msg too. I’m replying to the list this time, but I don’t want to take this thread off in another direction. Thanks to you and Toni. There may be something I can use listed at https://jspreadsheets.com/ <https://jspreadsheets.com/> I do have a web app that needs this. > > This seems to achieve what you wanted to do in CSS? > https://codepen.io/tjvantoll/pen/JEKIu > <https://codepen.io/tjvantoll/pen/JEKIu> Found when I first went searching. Not impressed at all. The column widths are hard-coded, there is no synchronization between the header and the data column sizes at all. No column show/hide, reordering, resizing, etc. This was in fact one of the examples that lead me to conclude that HTML UIs can be very ugly hacks. I think the very existence of https://jspreadsheets.com/ <https://jspreadsheets.com/> makes the point though. Basic controls are lacking in stock HTML UIs. HTML/5 is still the wild west in terms of making an application UI. Using these Javascript widgets and/or writing controls from scratch can certainly get you somewhere, but it demonstrates that HTML/5 is missing even basic widgets needed to be a good full-featured UI framework for applications. Compare what you have to go through to even make use of any of the libraries at https://jspreadsheets.com/ <https://jspreadsheets.com/> (and it’s a one-off for a single widget!) and you can see how much farther ahead Swing with Matisse or JavaFX with SceneBuilder are. I still don’t see the appeal to use HTML for desktop apps. It’s more work for less if you aren’t going to re-use it for the web as well. Regards, Scott
