I agree with march and september for major, but not for having „optional“ minor releases or not. I don’t know whether we need another thread for that or not, I mean we already had that.
I know we can handle it with less process for the minor releases, as I said it somewhere in the mailing list, the biggest problem is still the transition phase and it will be less work after the transition. We have now over 2000 tickets open. Some are nonsense maybe, user related Problems, invalid stuff, bugs, feature requests etc. So yes we should have minor releases and not think about to not having them. There is always work todo. Cheers Chris Von: Geertjan Wielenga Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2019 19:48 An: dev Betreff: Re: Apache NetBeans 11 or 11.0 ? Absolutely agree. However, we do need to release at specific points in the time/space continuum, don't we? Here is the proposal for when those points could be this year: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+Roadmap March and September are two specific points in the time/space continuum. If you disagree with those months, please suggest two other ones. In addition, there are two other months listed in the proposal above -- for the moment, I'd humbly suggest that we don't commit ourselves too strongly to four releases, that is really a lot, though it is something to strive for. So, if, for the moment, we aim at two releases at least, with the first of these already set for March, when would you like the other of the two to be? How about 6 months later, for the one that we are sure about, let's say September? Now, it turns out that those are the months in which the JDK will be released this year, JDK 11 and JDK 12. That's very convenient, since this provides the opportunity for JDK vendors to consider the possibility of co-operating or bundling with NetBeans in one way or another. Hope the above makes sense, if not, please specify your points in the time/space continuum of 2019 when you propose we should do our releases this year. Thanks, Gj On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 7:40 PM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Please everyone, go away from Connection JDK/Java with NetBeans. > NetBeans is for years an IDE for a lot more languages. [...] > > Yes, I can understand that binding was in the past but that doesn’t make > sense anymore nowadays. > > +1 > > --emi > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 8:28 PM Christian Lenz <christian.l...@gmx.net> > wrote: > > > > TLDR; > > Please everyone, go away from Connection JDK/Java with NetBeans. > NetBeans is for years an IDE for a lot more languages. Java should not > anymore the main Language that is full featured supported in NetBeans than > others that NetBeans supports out of the box. First NetBeans can handle PHP > very well, better than JS or other Frameworks like Angularjs, Angular, > React or unfortunately Vue which is not supported. It can handle > HTML/CSS/LESS/SCSS and C/C++ and Assembler too. NetBeans is an IDE not only > for Java developer anymore. > > > > Yes, I can understand that binding was in the past but that doesn’t make > sense anymore nowadays. > > > > > > Major versions like 10.0, 11.0 or 12.0 (or which Version we will have > later) will include a lot more features with NetCat and 11.1 and 12.1 will > implement more new Features too but I think with less NetCat (I don’t know, > only guessing, otherwise we will have no real gain for that). I only want > to add, to this, that we want 4 releases a year, to be competitve. I only > write this to make it clear that 11 is Major with Jakarta I think, C/C++ > (Maybe, don’t remember the Roadmap) Bug fixes and misc Features. And 11.1 > will have Features and bug fixes too and is not a patch. Patches where, > from the history perspective different from 8.0 to 8.1. Please remember 8.2 > had 2 patches and we are not Talking About 8.3 or 8.4, because only > critical bug fixes after the release. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Chris > > > > > > Von: Neil C Smith > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2019 19:03 > > An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > Betreff: Re: Apache NetBeans 11 or 11.0 ? > > > > On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 12:51, Geertjan Wielenga > > <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > Well, since there are two releases of the JDK this here, neatly > > > interspersed in March and September, it seems like a logical approach > to > > > follow, with the benefit that we could potentially end up having > NetBeans > > > bundles with a JDK, if the stars align. The stars are less likely to > align > > > if we completely ignore those specific months -- sure, we could > release in > > > July and December instead, but why? March and September are as good as > any, > > > and better than most, because of the JDK release cycle. > > > > Completely agree with you there - I was in favour of doing this and > > keeping the version numbers synced for same reason. > > > > On the other hand, the major/minor thing seems odd from a time-based > > release schedule, which is where the idea for quarterly releases came > > from. The projects that I can think of that do that generally > > publicise feature freeze and release dates well in advance (a year), > > possibly have a "release-ready" master branch, don't guarantee > > features until feature freeze date, and if a feature isn't ready it > > misses that release. AFAIK the NB10 without .0 came from the idea > > that 2019 releases would be NB11, NB12, NB13 and NB14 - no sense that > > one is more important than another. > > > > At the moment, for example, NB11 mentions J2EE support, but playing > > devils advocate what happens if that misses the release schedule? > > Does that mean NB11 is delayed, or that J2EE now comes in a point > > release, or that NB11.1 now becomes NB12? That's what I mean about > > the release page feeling somewhere stuck between time-based and > > feature-based. > > > > Anyway, as someone with not much time to put into the project right at > > this moment, I'm not arguing either way - just saying that it still > > appears a source of confusion. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Neil > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > >
