Hi,

Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
-would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
"providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
or, if that is too general:
"providing a development environment" => "providing development environment
and related tools"
?

The section on "bylaws":
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further

Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
resolutions on other projects).

Thanks,
    Jan



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
>
> Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our roster[3],
> notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to graduate[4],
> voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very
> next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to
> become an Apache top level project.
>
> Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before
> commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of the
> size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates from
> the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors voted
> to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
>
> Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having pointed
> out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and that
> simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
>
> The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will begin on
> general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> there,
> that includes the resolution.
>
> Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> 1.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 2.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
>
> 3.
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
>
> 4.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>
> 5.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 6.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
> ---------------------
>
> Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
> Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and application
> framework.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a development
> environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans Project, and
> to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans Project:
>
> * Anton Epple <monacot...@apache.org>
> * Antonio Vieiro <vie...@apache.org>
> * Aristides Villarreal <avbr...@apache.org>
> * Arunava Sinha <arusi...@apache.org>
> * Ate Douma <a...@apache.org>
> * Attila Kelemen <kele...@apache.org>
> * Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org>
> * Bruno Flávio <brunofla...@apache.org>
> * Bruno Souza <brjava...@apache.org>
> * Christian Lenz <chriz...@apache.org>
> * Constantin Drabo <pandaconstan...@apache.org>
> * David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@apache.org>
> * Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org>
> * Dusan Balek <dba...@apache.org>
> * Eirik Bakke <eba...@apache.org>
> * Emilian Bold <e...@apache.org>
> * Emmanuel Hugonnet <ehsav...@apache.org>
> * Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>
> * Florian Vogler <fvog...@apache.org>
> * Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org>
> * Glenn Holmer <ghol...@apache.org>
> * Ivar Grimstad <ivargrims...@apache.org>
> * James Gosling <j...@apache.org>
> * Jan Lahoda <jlah...@apache.org>
> * Jan Pirek <jpi...@apache.org>
> * Jaroslav Tulach <jtul...@apache.org>
> * Jean-Marc Borer <jmbo...@apache.org>
> * Jiří Kovalský <jkoval...@apache.org>
> * Joerg Michelberger <jmichelber...@apache.org>
> * Johan Vos <johan...@apache.org>
> * John Kostaras <ik...@apache.org>
> * John McDonnell <johnmcdonn...@apache.org>
> * Josh Juneau <javajun...@apache.org>
> * José Pereda <jper...@apache.org>
> * Junichi Yamamoto <junich...@apache.org>
> * Kirk Pepperdine <kirk-pepperd...@apache.org>
> * Lars Bruun-Hansen <lbr...@apache.org>
> * Laszlo Kishalmi <lkisha...@apache.org>
> * Leonardo Zanivan <pa...@apache.org>
> * Mark Stephens <markee...@apache.org>
> * Mark Struberg <strub...@apache.org>
> * Martin Entlicher <e...@apache.org>
> * Martin Klähn <mkla...@apache.org>
> * Matthias Bläsing <matthiasblaes...@apache.org>
> * Michael Müller <muelle...@apache.org>
> * Michael Nascimento <mist...@apache.org>
> * Michel Graciano <mgraci...@apache.org>
> * Milos Kleint <mkle...@apache.org>
> * Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org>
> * Ralph Benjamin Ruijs <ralphbenja...@apache.org>
> * Reema Taneja <rtan...@apache.org>
> * Shai Almog <codename...@apache.org>
> * Simon Phipps <webm...@apache.org>
> * Svatopluk Dedic <sde...@apache.org>
> * Sven Reimers <sreim...@apache.org>
> * Thilina Ranathunga <thilin...@apache.org>
> * Timon Veenstra <ti...@apache.org>
> * Tomas Mysik <tmy...@apache.org>
> * Tomas Zezula <tzez...@apache.org>
> * Tushar Joshi <tusharjo...@apache.org>
> * Vladimir Voskresensky <vladimi...@apache.org>
> * Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org>
> * Zoran Sevarac <seva...@apache.org>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Geertjan Wielenga be appointed
> to the office of Vice President, Apache NetBeans, to serve in accordance
> with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws
> of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is tasked with the
> migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator NetBeans podling; and
> be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> NetBeans podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter
> discharged.
>

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