On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jan Lahoda <lah...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions: > -would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to > include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either: > "providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools" > or, if that is too general: > "providing a development environment" => "providing development environment > and related tools" > ? > >
I think 'development environment, tooling platform, and application framework' is broad enough to cover netbeans-jackpot and anything else we do, and there's also the phrase 'projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project', i.e., we could see what we do quite broadly. E.g., jackpot is an extension or ancillary project to the development environment as well as the tooling platform, the same is true for html4j/DukeScript technologies etc. But if you strongly disagree, we can discuss further. Personally, I think we're pretty broad as it is already and if we make it even broader, and 'and related tools' is kind of assumed, I believe, anyway, it could become too vague. It's hard enough as it is to explain what exactly NetBeans is, let's not make it even harder. :-) Just my 2c. Gj > The section on "bylaws": > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further > > Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent > resolutions on other projects). > > Thanks, > Jan > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga > <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > Dear Apache NetBeans community members: > > > > Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache > > project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our > roster[3], > > notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to graduate[4], > > voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very > > next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft > > resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft > > resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to > > become an Apache top level project. > > > > Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections, > > suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before > > commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our > > roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of > the > > size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates from > > the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors > voted > > to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation. > > > > Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having pointed > > out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and > that > > simply a discussion thread is the next step[6]. > > > > The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will begin > on > > general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation > > there, > > that includes the resolution. > > > > Please feel free to reach out with any questions. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gj > > > > 1. > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > 2. > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans > > > > 3. > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster > > > > 4. > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > > > 5. > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > 6. > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal > > > > --------------------- > > > > Establish the Apache NetBeans Project > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of > the > > Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a > > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, > related > > to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and application > > framework. > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee > (PMC), > > to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is > established > > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is responsible > for > > the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a > development > > environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it > further > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and > > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the > direction > > of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans Project, > and > > to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the > > scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans Project: > > > > * Anton Epple <monacot...@apache.org> > > * Antonio Vieiro <vie...@apache.org> > > * Aristides Villarreal <avbr...@apache.org> > > * Arunava Sinha <arusi...@apache.org> > > * Ate Douma <a...@apache.org> > > * Attila Kelemen <kele...@apache.org> > > * Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> > > * Bruno Flávio <brunofla...@apache.org> > > * Bruno Souza <brjava...@apache.org> > > * Christian Lenz <chriz...@apache.org> > > * Constantin Drabo <pandaconstan...@apache.org> > > * David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@apache.org> > > * Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> > > * Dusan Balek <dba...@apache.org> > > * Eirik Bakke <eba...@apache.org> > > * Emilian Bold <e...@apache.org> > > * Emmanuel Hugonnet <ehsav...@apache.org> > > * Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> > > * Florian Vogler <fvog...@apache.org> > > * Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > * Glenn Holmer <ghol...@apache.org> > > * Ivar Grimstad <ivargrims...@apache.org> > > * James Gosling <j...@apache.org> > > * Jan Lahoda <jlah...@apache.org> > > * Jan Pirek <jpi...@apache.org> > > * Jaroslav Tulach <jtul...@apache.org> > > * Jean-Marc Borer <jmbo...@apache.org> > > * Jiří Kovalský <jkoval...@apache.org> > > * Joerg Michelberger <jmichelber...@apache.org> > > * Johan Vos <johan...@apache.org> > > * John Kostaras <ik...@apache.org> > > * John McDonnell <johnmcdonn...@apache.org> > > * Josh Juneau <javajun...@apache.org> > > * José Pereda <jper...@apache.org> > > * Junichi Yamamoto <junich...@apache.org> > > * Kirk Pepperdine <kirk-pepperd...@apache.org> > > * Lars Bruun-Hansen <lbr...@apache.org> > > * Laszlo Kishalmi <lkisha...@apache.org> > > * Leonardo Zanivan <pa...@apache.org> > > * Mark Stephens <markee...@apache.org> > > * Mark Struberg <strub...@apache.org> > > * Martin Entlicher <e...@apache.org> > > * Martin Klähn <mkla...@apache.org> > > * Matthias Bläsing <matthiasblaes...@apache.org> > > * Michael Müller <muelle...@apache.org> > > * Michael Nascimento <mist...@apache.org> > > * Michel Graciano <mgraci...@apache.org> > > * Milos Kleint <mkle...@apache.org> > > * Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> > > * Ralph Benjamin Ruijs <ralphbenja...@apache.org> > > * Reema Taneja <rtan...@apache.org> > > * Shai Almog <codename...@apache.org> > > * Simon Phipps <webm...@apache.org> > > * Svatopluk Dedic <sde...@apache.org> > > * Sven Reimers <sreim...@apache.org> > > * Thilina Ranathunga <thilin...@apache.org> > > * Timon Veenstra <ti...@apache.org> > > * Tomas Mysik <tmy...@apache.org> > > * Tomas Zezula <tzez...@apache.org> > > * Tushar Joshi <tusharjo...@apache.org> > > * Vladimir Voskresensky <vladimi...@apache.org> > > * Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org> > > * Zoran Sevarac <seva...@apache.org> > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Geertjan Wielenga be > appointed > > to the office of Vice President, Apache NetBeans, to serve in accordance > > with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the > Bylaws > > of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or > > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked > with > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development > and > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is tasked with > the > > migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator NetBeans podling; > and > > be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator > > NetBeans podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are hereafter > > discharged. > > >
