I think we’re broad enough as it is. The NetBeans umbrella is broad and everything we do is a derivative or an extension of some kind of NetBeans API.
Gh On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 20:40, Jan Lahoda <lah...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Geertjan Wielenga > <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jan Lahoda <lah...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions: > > > -would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to > > > include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either: > > > "providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools" > > > or, if that is too general: > > > "providing a development environment" => "providing development > > environment > > > and related tools" > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > I think 'development environment, tooling platform, and application > > framework' is broad enough to cover netbeans-jackpot and anything else we > > do, and there's also the phrase 'projects within the scope of > > responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project', i.e., we could see what > we > > do quite broadly. E.g., jackpot is an extension or ancillary project to > the > > development environment as well as the tooling platform, the same is true > > for html4j/DukeScript technologies etc. > > > > But if you strongly disagree, we can discuss further. Personally, I think > > we're pretty broad as it is already and if we make it even broader, and > > 'and related tools' is kind of assumed, I believe, anyway, it could > become > > too vague. It's hard enough as it is to explain what exactly NetBeans is, > > let's not make it even harder. :-) > > > > OK, I am not insisting on this much, just trying to ensure that we have > something broad enough to cover our activities. > > I was considering HTML4J, but that fits under the "application framework", > no? > > Jan > > Just my 2c. > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > The section on "bylaws": > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked > > with > > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development > > and > > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it > further > > > > > > Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent > > > resolutions on other projects). > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga > > > <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Apache NetBeans community members: > > > > > > > > Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache > > > > project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our > > > roster[3], > > > > notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to > > graduate[4], > > > > voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the > very > > > > next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft > > > > resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft > > > > resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator > to > > > > become an Apache top level project. > > > > > > > > Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections, > > > > suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially > before > > > > commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our > > > > roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection > of > > > the > > > > size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates > > from > > > > the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors > > > voted > > > > to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation. > > > > > > > > Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having > > pointed > > > > out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed > and > > > that > > > > simply a discussion thread is the next step[6]. > > > > > > > > The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will > > begin > > > on > > > > general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation > > > > there, > > > > that includes the resolution. > > > > > > > > Please feel free to reach out with any questions. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > 2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans > > > > > > > > 3. > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster > > > > > > > > 4. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > 5. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > 6. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal > > > > > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > > Establish the Apache NetBeans Project > > > > > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests > of > > > the > > > > Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish > a > > > > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and > maintenance > > of > > > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, > > > related > > > > to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and > > application > > > > framework. > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee > > > (PMC), > > > > to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is > > > established > > > > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is > responsible > > > for > > > > the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a > > > development > > > > environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it > > > further > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and > > > > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the > > > direction > > > > of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans > Project, > > > and > > > > to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within > > the > > > > scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it > > further > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are > > > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans > > Project: > > > > > > > > * Anton Epple <monacot...@apache.org> > > > > * Antonio Vieiro <vie...@apache.org> > > > > * Aristides Villarreal <avbr...@apache.org> > > > > * Arunava Sinha <arusi...@apache.org> > > > > * Ate Douma <a...@apache.org> > > > > * Attila Kelemen <kele...@apache.org> > > > > * Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org> > > > > * Bruno Flávio <brunofla...@apache.org> > > > > * Bruno Souza <brjava...@apache.org> > > > > * Christian Lenz <chriz...@apache.org> > > > > * Constantin Drabo <pandaconstan...@apache.org> > > > > * David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@apache.org> > > > > * Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> > > > > * Dusan Balek <dba...@apache.org> > > > > * Eirik Bakke <eba...@apache.org> > > > > * Emilian Bold <e...@apache.org> > > > > * Emmanuel Hugonnet <ehsav...@apache.org> > > > > * Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> > > > > * Florian Vogler <fvog...@apache.org> > > > > * Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > > > * Glenn Holmer <ghol...@apache.org> > > > > * Ivar Grimstad <ivargrims...@apache.org> > > > > * James Gosling <j...@apache.org> > > > > * Jan Lahoda <jlah...@apache.org> > > > > * Jan Pirek <jpi...@apache.org> > > > > * Jaroslav Tulach <jtul...@apache.org> > > > > * Jean-Marc Borer <jmbo...@apache.org> > > > > * Jiří Kovalský <jkoval...@apache.org> > > > > * Joerg Michelberger <jmichelber...@apache.org> > > > > * Johan Vos <johan...@apache.org> > > > > * John Kostaras <ik...@apache.org> > > > > * John McDonnell <johnmcdonn...@apache.org> > > > > * Josh Juneau <javajun...@apache.org> > > > > * José Pereda <jper...@apache.org> > > > > * Junichi Yamamoto <junich...@apache.org> > > > > * Kirk Pepperdine <kirk-pepperd...@apache.org> > > > > * Lars Bruun-Hansen <lbr...@apache.org> > > > > * Laszlo Kishalmi <lkisha...@apache.org> > > > > * Leonardo Zanivan <pa...@apache.org> > > > > * Mark Stephens <markee...@apache.org> > > > > * Mark Struberg <strub...@apache.org> > > > > * Martin Entlicher <e...@apache.org> > > > > * Martin Klähn <mkla...@apache.org> > > > > * Matthias Bläsing <matthiasblaes...@apache.org> > > > > * Michael Müller <muelle...@apache.org> > > > > * Michael Nascimento <mist...@apache.org> > > > > * Michel Graciano <mgraci...@apache.org> > > > > * Milos Kleint <mkle...@apache.org> > > > > * Neil C Smith <neilcsm...@apache.org> > > > > * Ralph Benjamin Ruijs <ralphbenja...@apache.org> > > > > * Reema Taneja <rtan...@apache.org> > > > > * Shai Almog <codename...@apache.org> > > > > * Simon Phipps <webm...@apache.org> > > > > * Svatopluk Dedic <sde...@apache.org> > > > > * Sven Reimers <sreim...@apache.org> > > > > * Thilina Ranathunga <thilin...@apache.org> > > > > * Timon Veenstra <ti...@apache.org> > > > > * Tomas Mysik <tmy...@apache.org> > > > > * Tomas Zezula <tzez...@apache.org> > > > > * Tushar Joshi <tusharjo...@apache.org> > > > > * Vladimir Voskresensky <vladimi...@apache.org> > > > > * Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org> > > > > * Zoran Sevarac <seva...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Geertjan Wielenga be > > > appointed > > > > to the office of Vice President, Apache NetBeans, to serve in > > accordance > > > > with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the > > > Bylaws > > > > of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or > > > > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it > further > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is > tasked > > > with > > > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open > development > > > and > > > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it > > further > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is tasked > with > > > the > > > > migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator NetBeans > podling; > > > and > > > > be it further > > > > > > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > Incubator > > > > NetBeans podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are > hereafter > > > > discharged. > > > > > > > > > >
