David Can you explain your reticence to adding an Apache OFBiz sandbox where more members of the community could share their work?
I can see this section possibly getting a disorganized over time with *junk*... but it can be deleted easily enough. As a top level project would it possible and better to organize a sub project for this? Thanks Daniel On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 12:41 -0800, Chris Howe wrote: > I think we're talking about two different things. You're talking about > developing and I'm talking about legal issues. The manner of > developing was already discussed in OFBIZ-499. The only legal way to > use JIRA to collaborate this type of thing is to keep sending updated > patches to JIRA or to have a committer review and add it to a > specialized application. Neither one of these is speed of development > friendly. > > Legal concerns wouldn't have been one of the primary driving forces of > moving to the ASF if it were true that "we've done fine for years". > The project still has technical exposure to a C & D order as the CLA > only covered works the copyright holder gave directly to the ASF not > the works the copyright holder gave to the OFBIZ project prior to > incubation. IANAL, and I don't think there is significant exposure, > but it is still there. That opinion isn't based on the vehicle used to > create Apache OFBiz, but on the impression of kindheartedness from the > members of the community prior to incubation. > > I don't want to speculate on the legal relationship the group that > worked on the anon checkout had, but I would suspect that it generated > some negative legal exposure as well and that the proposed setup of > Developers Conference will add to that. > > The only feedback that I've received from the general incubator list > are speculations, all with the caveat that the poster is not a lawyer > either and no one has been willing to post it to the legal-discuss > list. > > This issue is one of the MAJOR reasons for the existence of non-profit > entities like the ASF, FSF, and SPI. So again, I ask you to reconsider > the need of a more public sandbox where this kind of community > collaboration can be done without the complications of copyright > infringement, or at the very least pose the question to legal-discuss > for a formal opinion from those representing the ASF's interests. It > is my understanding that when it's added to Apache owned SVN, ASF is > the copyright holder of the collective work instead of an impromptu > partnership where the individuals have no legal authority to offer a > collective work. > > Regards, > Chris > --- "David E. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I REALLY don't think you need a sandbox for this. We've done fine for > > > > years without one, even with the recently re-done ecommerce anonymous > > > > checkout process and alternative checkout processes which were > > developed entirely outside of OFBiz. > > > > Getting this stuff done is mostly a matter of knowing what you're > > doing and having a clear goal to work towards, a design of sorts if > > you will. A sandbox won't help that. > > > > Once you have a design you can start building it without touching the > > > > current stuff, just make it an alternate path and don't break > > anything existing along the way. Once it is complete, then another > > patch can go in to remove the old code. > > > > It's that simple. That process has been followed well over a hundred > > > > times over the life of OFBiz and even for those with commit access > > it's the only way to go. If you don't have commit access, it's even > > better because you can develop until you're stuck or out of time, > > then throw in a patch and have it committed without breaking anything > > > > else, even if the new thing isn't working 100%. > > > > -David > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Chris Howe wrote: > > > > > Hey Anil, > > > > > > I've begun some of this already. I'm taking the approach of > > passing > > > the cart to a simple method that first checks the order type and > > then > > > calls a method or service that is focused on that order type. Each > > > order type service will call a multitude of methods/services that > > > prepare the cart data to be entered into the datasource. > > > > > > I would love to collaborate on this, but because of the size, it's > > > rather difficult to do by passing patches back and forth through > > JIRA > > > without having a reference point that SVN provides. This is one of > > > those things that the ofbiz-sandbox project would be good for, but > > it > > > still has a legal issue that will prevent it from being entered > > back > > > into the project. I can as an individual grant Apache the license > > it > > > needs for the work I do, you as an individual can grant Apache the > > > license it needs for the work you do, but without each of us > > assuming > > > the liability of a partnership we cannot grant a license for the > > work > > > as a whole. The only way around this is to use ofbiz-sandbox SVN > > and > > > make patches for each commit and each of us resubmit our own patch > > to > > > OFBiz JIRA with the order they need to be applied in. > > > > > > This would be sooooo much easier if the members of OFBiz PMC would > > > respond on including a public sandbox in Apache OFBiz as each SVN > > > commit will be licensed to Apache, and Apache will be the owner of > > the > > > work as a whole instead of an impromptu partnership being the > > owner. > > > > > > > > > --- Anil Patel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> I planning to participate in this developer conference. I am > > >> interested in > > >> contributing towards making Order Entry process more flexible. If > > >> there are > > >> Others who will be interested we can start some ground work. I > > >> request one > > >> of the commiters who has interest in this to Please lead this > > effort. > > >> > > >> The anonymous checkout process in Ecommerce component provides > > some > > >> high > > >> level guiding principals. Few things that I can think of are > > >> 1) moving some code that's embedded in Java classes into small > > simple > > >> methods. > > >> 2) Moving process control logic from event handlers to Controller > > >> file. > > >> > > >> Any Ideas > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> Anil Patel > > >> > > >> On 1/16/07, David E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> NOTE: I'm just sending this to the dev list as this event is > > meant > > >>> mainly for those who want to be involved with development of > > OFBiz > > >>> itself. There will be a variety of projects going on and we hope > > >>> everyone will be able to work on both paid and fun stuff, but the > > >>> results will all be going right back into OFBiz. Still, everyone > > is > > >>> welcome to attend and join the "party" so if you know of someone > > >> who > > >>> might be interested but isn't subscribed to the dev mailing list, > > >>> please forward it on to them. > > >>> > > >>> NOTE2: While most of this conference will be centered around > > >>> development, if you aren't a developer it doesn't mean you can't > > >>> come. It would be great to have, for example, people like > > business > > >>> analysts and technical writers to help with requirements, design, > > >> and > > >>> documentation and such would be great! > > >>> > > >>> Included below is the original email about this, and most of the > > >>> information there is still applicable. Here are a few decisions, > > >>> based on feedback: > > >>> > > >>> 1. the conference dates will be 5-9 March 2007 (Monday - Friday), > > >> and > > >>> may spill over into Sat the 10th > > >>> > > >>> 2. you don't have to come for the entire conference, but we > > >> recommend > > >>> coming for at least Mon-Wed or Wed-Fri as we'll schedule > > big-group > > >>> meetings and any presentations for Wednesday; if you can come for > > >> the > > >>> whole week, please do, it'll be great! > > >>> > > >>> 3. people are welcome to come and enjoy local attractions for the > > >>> weekend before and/or after (it will still be cool in the area > > >> here, > > >>> snowy in the mountains for skiing/boarding/snowmobiling, and > > >>> depending on weather it can be a great time for visiting the > > >> deserts > > >>> and canyons south of here) > > >>> > > >>> 4. the cost to cover the meeting rooms, snacks, infra stuff, etc > > >> will > > >>> be $175 for the week (or $35/day) per person; we will have > > wireless > > >>> internet access, and I have a bridge if anyone needs wired > > access; > > >> we > > >>> will have at least 2 projectors and perhaps other large monitors > > to > > >>> facilitate group development and discussion > > >>> > > >>> 5. meals, lodging, etc are not included in the main price, but > > >> we'll > > >>> have 5-9 rooms available in the building (for $20-30 per night, > > >> first > > >>> come first serve); there is a decent hotel in town as well for > > >> around > > >>> $80 per night (contact me for details); for meals there are > > various > > >>> restaurants within walking distance > > >>> > > >>> 6. the attendance cap is initially 20 people; there seems to be a > > >> lot > > >>> of interest in this, so if we go over that we'll raise it by > > >> perhaps > > >>> 5-10 more people and convert some other adjacent rooms in the > > >>> building to be for group meeting use as well (we're planning on 2 > > >> big > > >>> rooms, plus a fairly big room with a small kitchen in it) > > >>> > > >>> 7. the actual development goals are not finalized, but there is > > >> quite > > >>> a bit of interest in various things on the original list I > > included > > >>> (below), the big things seem to be testing infrastructure and > > >> project > > >>> management functionality > > >>> > > >>> To register (ASAP please, to make my job of planning easier!), > > >> please > > >>> contact me by email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the following > > >>> information: > > >>> > > >>> 1. your name, company name, contact info (phone, email if > > different > > >>> than from address) > > >>> 2. how many in your group (if more than one, their names too) > > >>> 3. plans (as much as known) for how many days and which days > > >>> 4. lodging preference - in the building (private rooms, shared > > >>> toilets/showers) how many rooms, or nearby hotel (I'll respond > > with > > >>> contact info for the nice place close by, or there is a "fleabag" > > >>> motel place too though not sure if I'd recommend it) > > >>> 5. snack/diet preferences > > >>> 6. local travel plans: do you need a ride, or do you plan to > > rent/ > > > === message truncated === > -- Daniel *-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*- Have a GREAT Day! 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