>> Answering myself: maybe we can ask infra to add reply-to as in INFRA-18478 while we discuss a better solution. +1
>> For instance, I received 2 versions (one to the dev ML, one directly to me) from (almost?) all people welcoming Pawan and Deepak. >> As it does not make sense to filter emails sent directly to me, all those messages (both of them) end in my main inbox folder and I have to put them manually in OFBiz. Exactly. This way, we cannot ensure that people will exclude personal email ids from reply-all and using reply it will always send the email personally. The sole purpose of the mailing list is served only when the emails are sent on the list so reply being its primary action need to point to the list only. My 2 cents Thanks and regards, Aditya Sharma On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 1:30 PM Jacques Le Roux < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mathieu, All, > > I think it's an important discussion, but I fear there will be a lot of > bikeshedding too > > Le 13/06/2019 à 15:19, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit : > > Jacques Le Roux <[email protected]> writes: > > > >> Le 13/06/2019 à 13:02, Mathieu Lirzin a écrit : > >> Actually we should never use “Replying all” when replying to an ML. > >> Else you get these useless and annoying duplicates not filtered, that's > what I meant. > > If you have duplicates, then it's a bug in the mailing-list software > > that should be reported to INFRA. The right thing would be to not > > resend an email to user both present in the recipients and subscribed to > > a list (GNU Mailman is doing that). > > By duplicates I mean emails sent to the dev ML and to me directly. That > depends mostly on sender I guess. > > For instance, I received 2 versions (one to the dev ML, one directly to > me) from (almost?) all people welcoming Pawan and Deepak. > As it does not make sense to filter emails sent directly to me, all those > messages (both of them) end in my main inbox folder and I have to put them > manually in OFBiz. > I'd prefer to remove the duplicates (the ones sent directly to me) but > it's too much work. > So I now have twice the size in this folder. As I keep archives of all > messages for easier later searches it's a real problem for future (13.8 Go, > for > all msgs today) > > > > > >> We should use "Replied to List" when it exists. It appears for me in > Thunderbird when fitting. > >> I hope other email clients and webmails are allowing the same. > >> I guess for that the reply-to value must be set to [email protected] > and Infra can handle that. > >> It was working for a very long time and I suddenly these burst of > duplicates, as Aditya found, don't you? > > Asking people to use “Reply to list” would be acceptable if we were > > assuming that everybody participating in the discussion is subscribed to > > the mailing-list which is only partially true in our case, given our > > current process which consist of accepting email from non-subscribed > > users but yelling at them for not not being subscribed. > > As a moderator I think we don't chastise enough people sending mails to > the MLs w/o being subscribed! :D > > Joke aside, I understand the "duplicates" issue depends on senders. > And (it seems?) only people using Thunderbird have the opportunity to have > a Reply-to-list button, based on List-Post header[1][2] So when they reply > using Reply-to they send 2 emails. > > [1] https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt > [2] https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/2588 > > The ASF uses ezmlm, http://untroubled.org recommends ( > https://untroubled.org/ezmlmmanual/Replying.html) > > <<to type in the list address by hand or to use the “Reply-to-all” > function of your mail reader>> > > I'm unsure, but it seems to me that I used “Reply-to” for years to send > back only to the OFBiz MLs, before I had to turn to Reply to List and > “Reply-to-all” (which fits to me. For me the problem is others senders) > So I guess then we had the setting "Reply-To: list@host" maybe as (not > recommended) in[3] and as suggested by Deepak. > > [3] > http://untroubled.org/ezmlm/faq/Setting-Reply_002dTo-list_0040host.html#Setting-Reply_002dTo-list_0040host > > > >>> Please configure your email client to add “Reply-to: > [email protected]” > >>> in the header of the messages you are sending to that list. That will > >>> allow other email clients to automatically respect your personnal > >>> preferences. > > You mean that I do it once for a message to a list and then it's OK for > all further messages to this list? > I'm not even sure how to do that in Thunderbird :/ > And I want something quick to answer. A button to click, not to have to > select in a drop-down or such. I pass already much time answering... > > Anyway I need to read carefully > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > and > http://david.woodhou.se/reply-to-list.html > > Before giving my opinion > > >> I don't agree, as an ASF member I reply to a lot of MLs. I don't want > to be bothered by that for all of them. > >> Deepak's answer with INFRA-18478 seems to be the way we should handle > that. > > I often don't want to cut the grass in my garden, but sometimes I have > > too. ;-) > > > > If you have a huge pile of ML subscriptions (50? 100?), you can > > configure your email client incrementally each time you send an email to > > a list that is not already configured and someday they will eventually > > all be properly configured. \o/ > > > > Thanks. > I tried but could not find a way in a reasonable time > > Jacques > >
