I was for separating create forms and search/result forms, I was not suggesting that we should separate the search forms themselves.
Regards Scott 2008/6/1 Jacques Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I finally agree with most too (I mean I agree with Adrian's proposition and > Andrew's here). Having them on 2 screen was a Scott's > proposition that I agreed with because of the flexibility given by modern > browsers and their integrated tabs capabilities. But I can > imagine that some people, especially end users, would not like to use tabs > or even a modern browser (though they should to use > both). Then it's obviously not easier to use... > > Just one point : I'm not sure it's good to have forms collapsed by default > when there are results. If we would really want to have > something like that, whe should at least have an indicator to let know the > user that the list is not empty. > > Just my opinion, and BTW having a consensual standard usage will be great. > I agree with the idea that we really need to standardise our ways of doing > things, even if there are only a few places still needing it in OFBiz ERP > (thanks to widgets for instance) > > Jacques > > From: "Andrew Zeneski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I can agree with most except list results and the form should be rendered >> as one screen. This is to make usage easier when the >> user wants to change the search parameters. Having the form collapsed by >> default when there are results is good. >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> On May 30, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Adrian Crum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Getting back to this... >>> >>> Here are the layout best practices discussed so far: >>> >>> "In the case where items are being added to a list, it is preferable to >>> have the item data entry screen and the item list on >>> separate screens. If the two functions are incorporated into one screen, >>> then the item data entry screen should be above the >>> item list. In addition, the item data entry screen should be collapsible >>> and initially collapsed." >>> >>> "If a Find Item screen has a form for search options, the search options >>> form should be above the list of items found. The list >>> of items found should display all items initially - giving the user the >>> ability to narrow the results via the search options >>> form." >>> >>> Can we agree on these? >>> >>> -Adrian >>> >>> Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>>> From: "Scott Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>>> It looks nice but if we did that the user would lose the ability to >>>>> refer >>>>> back to the list while entering data, I would prefer an expand/ >>>>> collapse form >>>>> if we are going to keep them on the same page. >>>>> >>>> Yes I agree, but I really like the idea for the calendar (I can't >>>> propose it for lookups are they are too much to be loaded >>>> when lauching and the probability of use is far more low, but maybe one >>>> day, when machines will be more powerful :D >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> 2008/5/24 Anil Patel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>>> >>>>> I think what David is suggesting is something like this >>>>>> http://www.wildbit.com/demos/modalbox/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> Anil Patel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 23, 2008, at 1:57 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't say open a new window, I said either expand a hidden area >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> popup using JavaScript within the window (ie over top of the list >>>>>>> behind >>>>>>> it). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 23, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMHO, we should avoid to overuse popping as opening a new window is >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> consuming (especially in Firefox). This is currently a major >>>>>>>> inconvenience >>>>>>>> for Lookups and Calendar for instance >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "David E Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since we're entering the world of using more javascript in the >>>>>>>>> browser, >>>>>>>>> why not have the add form on the top but hidden by default with >>>>>>>>> and Add >>>>>>>>> button of some sort that would cause the form to be shown? We >>>>>>>>> could even >>>>>>>>> make it fancy and popup over top of the list form and have it go >>>>>>>>> away after >>>>>>>>> submission with an update of the list behind it... without any >>>>>>>>> page loads >>>>>>>>> even. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 22, 2008, at 11:38 PM, Scott Gray wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would agree with that but personally I would prefer to see them >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> completely different pages. If I wanted to be able to refer back >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> list while adding I would ctrl+click and then ctrl+tab to flick >>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> forth, that's what makes tabbed browsers so handy. One of the >>>>>>>>>> problems with >>>>>>>>>> having them on the same page is that any errors after adding >>>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>>> displayed before the list while the add form would be way down >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> bottom. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2008/5/23 David E Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 22, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) If a screen has a list and add form, what should be the order >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> forms (I have seen in your recent work that add form should >>>>>>>>>>>> come on >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> top >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> I completely >>>>>>>>>>>>> agree with this). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the form should be on top of the list. Otherwise, >>>>>>>>>>>> as you >>>>>>>>>>>> add >>>>>>>>>>>> items to the list, the form is scrolled off the bottom of the >>>>>>>>>>>> screen. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The main question is: what is going to be used more? Will it >>>>>>>>>>> be the >>>>>>>>>>> list or >>>>>>>>>>> the add form? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If in most cases it will be the list, and if you have to scroll >>>>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>> time to see it... that's a pain. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >> >
