Yes I agree ! I will put my new idea on this page I should not have forgotten :/
Jacques
From: "David E Jones" <david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
On Jan 22, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Hi,
Somethings I would like to do on OFBiz site main page :
Make clear ERP, CRM, SCM, MRP, CMMS and EAM abreviations in this
sentence
<<The Apache Open For Business Project is an open source enterprise
automation software project licensed under the Apache License
Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open
Source ERP, Open Source CRM, Open Source E-Business / E-Commerce,
Open Source SCM, Open Source MRP, Open Source CMMS/EAM, and so on.>>
Something like
<<The Apache Open For Business Project is an open source enterprise
automation software project licensed under the Apache License
Version 2.0. By open source enterprise automation we mean: Open
Source ERP (Enterprise Ressouces Planning), Open Source CRM
(Customer Relationship Management), Open Source E-Business / E-
Commerce, Open Source SCM (Supply Chain Management), Open Source MRP
(Materials Requirements Planning), Open Source CMMS (Computerized
Maintenance Management System)/EAM (Enterprise Asset Management) and
so on.>>
I originally chose not to do this because it is very verbose. Even the
stuff there now is probably too much, and a simple "Open Source ERP,
CRM, and eCommerce" would be sufficient.
I would also like to add a basic "How works OFBiz" section, before
"Who is Using Apache OFBiz?" where concepts like SOA (Services
Oriented Architecture - I put an "s" explicity), EDA (Events Driven
Architecture) and SOI (Services Oriented Integration) would be
explained with a sentence or two on how it's implemented in OFBiz
(implementable for SOI). More and more people are turning to ESBs
and this should attract some interesting users...
Before we can make a decision about this sort of thing we really need
to do the site redesign thing that has been discussed so much,
starting with defining our target audiences and then making sure the
info they need is available. There are lots of marketing messages we
could deliver, but choosing is important because otherwise there is SO
MUCH information it makes all of it less valuable (no one will read
through all of it... no one reads through what is currently there...
it's already too much...).
Here is the page started long long ago to get that going:
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz.org+New+Site+Plan
-David
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
Thanks for comment Raj,
I have read this interesting article you previously mentionned
before making this suggestion. Actually it was that that decided me
to make this proposition.
David well explained what ECAs are in OFBiz : a local EDA
implementation.
Because ERP are integrated, and focused on some aspects of
entreprise business, they can't be compared to systems build around
an ESB.
Actually you made the same confusion than people who think that Web
Services are "the" SOA architecture.
OFBiz proves that such an architecture can exist in a sole system.
It has it own SOA architecture, which can even be used from outside
and can use outside services (with limitations OOTB).
We are often asked about SOAP services, and why OFBiz don't provide
an easier access to its services (limitation to simple types
currently).
This is because we focus on business implentation and we don't
compete with Apache ServiceMix and such (also a manpower issue,
though some efforts has been done in this area http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yhc
- not tested yet, by me at least)
I think I will use David comments as a basis to write few sentences
to put on the section I mentionned. Any help, comments, are welcome
of course....
Jacques
From: "David E Jones" <david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
You're confusing the concept with a means of implementing the
concept. Also, I don't mean to imply that Service ECA Rules are
the only way of implementing the concept, but they are one way.
That is why I recommended that you look at how SECA rules are
used in OFBiz (like triggering order item completion with a
shipment is packed, order completion on order item completion,
and by the same means invoicing and many other business processes).
It is not an enterprise-wide form of EDA, just like the service
engine is not an enterprise-wide form of SOA. If enterprise-wide
SOA and EDA tools are used OFBiz can integrate easily with these
since internally it is architected using the same principles (ie
can consume and produce services, and can generate and listen to
events.
-David
On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Raj Saini wrote:
I see the events in a event-driven system are emitted by some
sources (or agents) and consumed by consumers ( sinks). Sinks
have the responsibility of applying a reaction as soon as an
event is presented. Generally, event are transmitted among
loosely coupled software components. One important think to note
here is that source and sinks may not be aware of each other in
the event processing and hence this results in the highly
modular and loosely coupled applications.
I apologizes if I am wrong but I see ECAs as interceptors similar
to the aspect oriented stuff and they are triggered as part of
the call to service.
Thanks,
Raj
David E Jones wrote:
It would not be correct to say that EDA (Event Driven
Architecture) and ECA (Event-Condition-Action rules) are the
same thing. It would be correct to say that ECA Rules are one
way of implementing an event-driven architecture (EDA).
If you look at how ECA rules are used in OFBiz you'll see it is
very consistent with the general EDA concepts. With all logic
flowing through the Service Engine in OFBiz it becomes a
natural hub for business events, and ECA rules allow us to do
things based on those business events.
If you disagree, please do share. How is your vision of an EDA
different from how we use ECA rules in OFBiz?
-David
On Jan 17, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Raj Saini wrote:
Is ECA same as EDA? I feel ECAs in OFBiz are more like
interceptors/triggers where are EDA is all together a different
architecture pattern. This is a good document explain EDA:
http://www.eaipatterns.com/docs/EDA.pdf
Thanks,
Raj
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
I think, as a marketing effort, we should put 2-3 sentences
about SOA (Service Oriented Architecture) and EDA (Event
Driven Architecture) OFBiz's features on main site, in
"Introduction: What is Apache OFBiz?" section for instance.
Buzz words (acronyms nowadays) can't hurt if we want more
recognition. And it's easier to be understood by using SOA
acronym than Service Engine and especially EDA instead of ECA.
Of course a sentence explaining quickly both concepts is
needed.
Any takers ? (several would be better...)
Jacques
