Thanks Jacques - much appreciated.  I went in there to do this, but since I 
commit to framework, I'm going to wait for you to knock this out.

Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com

o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595

----- "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> 
> I thought it could be interesting from a "marketing" POV to have this
> "information" on the main page. And yes we can't do anything 
> about he layout (js embedded).
> But of course, a wiki page with a link from the main page would be far
> enough. I have no time to take care of this right now, but
> will do it ASAP...
> 
> Jacques
> 
> From: "Tim Ruppert" <tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >I still think we need to remove this from the home page and embed it
> somewhere else in our enterprise - maybe on the Wiki or
> >something like that.  It doesn't exactly need to be on the front
> page, and frankly, as I stated before, kinda mucks with the
> >layout.
> >
> > If there are not an excessive amount of people clamoring to have
> this somewhat fictitious information on our homepage, can we
> > please migrate it somewhere else?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Ruppert
> > HotWax Media
> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >
> > o:801.649.6594
> > f:801.649.6595
> >
> > ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I can't say anything about their method but
> >> https://www.ohloh.net/wiki/project_codebase_cost
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "David E Jones" <david.jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >> > It is a funny estimate isn't it. If you look at the numbers they
> are
> >>
> >> > assuming full-time developers (ie about 2000 hours per year),
> and
> >> > about 2 lines of code per hour.
> >> >
> >> > The thing to note is that this isn't representative of what was
> >> > actually required to create OFBiz, or to design it. In fact
> there
> >> have
> >> > been many hundreds of thousands of lines of code that have been
> >> thrown
> >> > away as we have removed tools from the framework, and as we have
> >> > introduced new best practices and done large scale changes on
> the
> >> > business logic that existed at the time. That was mostly true
> for
> >> the
> >> > first 3 years of the project before the framework really settled
> >> down,
> >> > but a few things have happened since then (like bsh -> groovy,
> and
> >>
> >> > some of the recent security refactorings, etc).
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, the reality is OFBiz has been running for 8 years and on
> >> > average has probably had about 6-8 people working full-time on it
> at
> >>
> >> > any given time (with those 6-8 people constantly changing). The
> >> thing
> >> > is that there aren't many contributors to OFBiz who crawl along
> at 2
> >>
> >> > lines of code per hour... unless you include design time along
> with
> >>
> >> > development and for some (I know for me personally) I'll often
> spend
> >>
> >> > 5-10 times as much time designing and reviewing and
> collaborating
> >> with
> >> > the community about something as I do actually coding
> (especially
> >> > recently now that many changes are so sensitive because the
> project
> >> is
> >> > so big).
> >> >
> >> > -David
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On May 5, 2009, at 10:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Missed the original email.
> >> >> but I have one reality check.
> >> >> 193 man years means for the the 5 yrs of the project 36.7
> people
> >> were
> >> >> working on it for 3,000 hours + each year. or for say last 3
> years
> >> 10
> >> >> people worked on it,  which is 30 man years that means 80
> people
> >> >> worked
> >> >> on it for the last 2 years.
> >> >> what do  yo think.
> >> >>
> >> >> Vikas Mayur sent the following on 5/5/2009 4:19 AM:
> >> >>> This is interesting, Jacques :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Vikas
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On May 3, 2009, at 5:07 AM, jler...@apache.org wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Author: jleroux
> >> >>>> Date: Sat May  2 23:02:10 2009
> >> >>>> New Revision: 770996
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=770996&view=rev
> >> >>>> Log:
> >> >>>> If someone see a problem with that I will revert...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Modified:
> >> >>>>   ofbiz/site/index.html
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html
> >> >>>> URL:
> >> >>>>
> >>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=770996&r1=770995&r2=770996&view=diff
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>> =
> >> >>>>
> >>
> ====================================================================
> >> >>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original)
> >> >>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sat May  2 23:02:10 2009
> >> >>>> @@ -298,7 +298,10 @@
> >> >>>>                <li>Demos, Nightly Builds, Nightly Demo Logs,
> API
> >> >>>> Site, and Docs Site Provided by <a
> >> href="http://www.contegix.com/";
> >> >>>> target="_blank">Contegix</a> and <a
> >> >>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB";
> >> target="_blank">HotWax
> >> >>>> Media</a></li>
> >> >>>>                <li>Site Design and Matching Theme Provided by
> <a
> >> >>>> href="http://www.brainfood.com/";
> target="_blank">Brainfood</a>
> >> and
> >> >>>> <a
> >> >>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/?atc=OFB";
> >> target="_blank">HotWax
> >> >>>> Media</a></li>
> >> >>>>            </ul>
> >> >>>> -
> >> >>>> +            <h3>According to Ohloh</h3>
> >> >>>> +            <ul class="sidemenu">
> >> >>>> +                <li><script type="text/javascript"
> >> >>>> src="http://www.ohloh.net/p/162/widgets/project_cocomo.js";></
> >> >>>> script></li>
> >> >>>> +            </ul>
> >> >>>>        </div>
> >> >>>>        <!-- sidebar -->
> >> >>>>      </div>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> -- 
> >> >> BJ Freeman
> >> >> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation
> >> >> http://bjfreeman.elance.com
> >> >>
> >>
> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro
> >> >> Systems Integrator.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >

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