On Dec 6, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Hi David: > > Fair enough. > > Unlike Tim I do not commit code to the project.
And how does that justify your tone? > That doesn't mean I don't spend as much time and energy working towards the > success of OFBiz as Tim does. I always look at the project from a potential > new user's point of view. A perspective that seems to get very little air > time here, or anywhere for that matter. That's simply not true. If you want to participate and contribute from an end-user perspective there are plenty of options. Feedback is always needed and welcome, as long as it is specific enough to act on (otherwise it is 100% useless), and even if people are rude in giving feedback it is still often acted on. You can also participate in requirements gathering and design efforts, including the UBPL and other efforts here: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Home In general, there is nothing stopping you, but also don't expect someone to come along and pay you or in any way act like a boss or manager in order to get you to do things. > Issues like this one, while really minor to an experienced person like Tim > (and, me) would deter even the bravest of new users. > > This couldn't possibly be good for the project. And that bothers me. No software is perfect, don't be so bothered by it. Even my favorite operating system (OS X) is a total failure in some scenarios. For example, I was doing a copy of a big file to an external drive and some random error came up in the middle... and now the copy process won't stop, and I can't unmount the disk, or even force unmount the disk... so now how do I proceed without risking killing the disk? And yes, it is possible to do on OS X, even with the fancy journaling file system. I experienced this recently where the screen shows that the disk is unmounted, but it isn't really done and if you disconnect it before it is done it can (and to me did) hork the entire disk to the point where the Disk Utility that is part of the OS couldn't repair it. How much harm does this do? It would take a level of omniscience that I'm not even close to in order to know, so I don't worry about it. I don't expect the project to be perfect, but fortunately in many ways the competition makes it easy to survive, even with no funding and no central management. This quote is a little harsh, but I like it anyway: "Expectations are the fruits of ignorance and the seeds of disappointment." -David > David E Jones wrote: >> Ruth, >> >> This really isn't fair or reasonable. >> >> Of course, I've had to say the same thing about some of Tim's comments... :) >> >> -David >> >> >> On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Tim: >>> Sorry, unless otherwise stated I always go to what has been advertised as >>> the "official" OFBiz download site: http://ofbiz.apache.org and hit the big >>> "DOWNLOAD OFBIZ" link. >>> >>> Now, for a little vent: "What is wrong with the file at this point"? You >>> ask. I'll tell you what is wrong - it doesn't start up as "advertised". >>> >>> I'm so (still?) disappointed that someone would have the b---s (or is it >>> carelessness) to put something at the end of that big fat "DOWNLOAD OFBiz" >>> button and not test it. >>> >>> Tim, I don't have the time to figure out why it is not working. I'm not the >>> one who broke it and, at least in this instance, I'm not going to be the >>> one to tell you guys how to fix it. So, get over the idea that this >>> end-user is going to troubleshoot for those who are not capable or >>> unwilling. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ruth >>> >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> >>>> Where'd you get it from? Apache or build.ofbiz.org? In the future, >>>> please provide a lot more information it makes it possible for us to help >>>> out more effectively. >>>> >>>> If you're looking at it on the build.ofbiz.org site - there has been an >>>> issue with the builds over there for a few days that a number of people >>>> are looking into. What do you think is wrong with the file at this point? >>>> Try some debugging and let everyone know what you're seeing on your end. >>>> >>>> Btw, it's nice to know that someone is looking at these .... >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Ruppert >>>> -- >>>> Tim Ruppert >>>> HotWax Media >>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>>> >>>> o:801.649.6594 >>>> f:801.649.6595 >>>> >>>> On Dec 6, 2009, at 3:36 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> FYI - >>>>> OOTB, current trunk, nightly build (ofbiz-trunk-current.zip) >>>>> unzip + ./startofbiz.sh >>>>> Gets me this in the log file....And that is as far as we go...What is up >>>>> with this? >>>>> >>>>> 009-12-06 17:32:54,165 (main) [ ComponentContainer.java:126:INFO ] All >>>>> components loaded >>>>> 2009-12-06 17:32:54,363 (main) [ClassLoaderContainer.java:50 :INFO ] >>>>> CachedClassLoader created >>>>> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: >>>>> java/util/concurrent/LinkedBlockingDeque >>>>> at >>>>> org.ofbiz.entity.GenericDelegator.<clinit>(GenericDelegator.java:121) >>>>> at >>>>> org.ofbiz.entity.DelegatorFactoryImpl.getInstance(DelegatorFactoryImpl.java:34) >>>>> at >>>>> org.ofbiz.entity.DelegatorFactoryImpl.getInstance(DelegatorFactoryImpl.java:25) >>>>> at >>>>> org.ofbiz.base.util.UtilObject.getObjectFromFactory(UtilObject.java:181) >>>>> at >>>>> org.ofbiz.entity.DelegatorFactory.getDelegator(DelegatorFactory.java:31) >>>>> at >>>>> org.ofbiz.catalina.container.CatalinaContainer.init(CatalinaContainer.java:174) >>>>> at >>>>> org.ofbiz.base.container.ContainerLoader.loadContainer(ContainerLoader.java:188) >>>>> at >>>>> org.ofbiz.base.container.ContainerLoader.load(ContainerLoader.java:65) >>>>> at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.initStartLoaders(Start.java:258) >>>>> at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.init(Start.java:96) >>>>> at org.ofbiz.base.start.Start.main(Start.java:409) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> >>
