>> I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the >> phrase "Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks: >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ (I use references to sections of >> this page in the following) >> So they can't be used in domain name (cf. section "Using Apache trademarks >> in domain names"). Hans can't use http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz alone as >> an individual or for his company.
This is a domain name: twitter.com This is a URL: twitter.com/apache_ofbiz So the first half of your message is completely invalid and threatening to contact higher level ASF admins before discussing it on the private list is bad form IMO. Secondly, use of the OFBiz name and logo on service provider websites absolutely falls within the realm of nominative fair use IMO. How are you supposed to offer development and support services for OFBiz if you cannot mention the name OFBiz and display the logo? The fact that some logo uses do not link back to the project is a minor issue and can easily be rectified without scaremongering by sending a polite message directly to the service provider in question. Let's be clear, we want people to market OFBiz for us because we do not have the resources to do an adequate job of it ourselves. The thing that I think we should be most concerned about and actively "police" is what is written at the bottom of the ASF guideline document: "Nothing in this ASF policy statement shall be interpreted to allow any third party to claim any association with the Apache Software Foundation or any of its projects or to imply any approval or support by ASF for any third party products or services." We should be encouraging people to market OFBiz and instead of sending out threatening emails. And lastly, haven't there been enough arguments on the dev list for one week? Do you really need to spark another one right now? Constant bickering just makes us all look bad. Regards Scott On 7/03/2010, at 7:20 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Scott, > > Could you explain which part(s) I'm mis-interpreting and what is irrelevant > in my message? > > Jacques > > From: "Scott Gray" <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> > Jacques, you are mis-interpreting the contents of that ASF document and I > really would prefer it if you kept your thoughts to the private list. This > way we can correct you before you start scaring people away from marketing > the project for us. > > Thank you > Scott > > On 7/03/2010, at 2:20 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> This could be so easy :/ >> >> Hans agreed to give the credentials to all commiters but he asked us to send >> him a demand. >> We don't need to ask, if it's open Hans sould send all commiters the >> credential to share apache_ofbiz Twitter account. >> I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the >> phrase "Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks: >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ (I use references to sections of >> this page in the following) >> So they can't be used in domain name (cf. section "Using Apache trademarks >> in domain names"). Hans can't use http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz alone as >> an individual or for his company. >> So please, for the last time, Hans before I ring Shane Curcuru's bell >> (current VP, Apache Brand Management), simply send credentials to all >> commiters and the war is over (Note that, though I don't think it's the way >> to go, I already asked you to send me credentials as you suggested, but did >> not receive anything yet). Then I suggest to put the button like you did >> Hans. It's a *great idea* and I'm sure you will appreciate to have an help >> on feeding the tweets as you already suggested. >> >> http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz is a special case because not only it uses >> ASF trademark in domain name but it also shows it on the page, along with >> OFBiz logo not going back to http://ofbiz.apache.org/ (cf. section "Using >> the Apache Foo (and similar) graphic logos") >> But I don't see a reason why the rule for the domain should not apply also to >> http://twitter.com/ofbiz_help >> http://twitter.com/ofbizbyhotwax >> And Hans just followed the path actually... (is there other cases?) >> >> Some other points which are related and worth to be noted >> Hotwax Media must care about how they use the OFBiz logo in their pages at >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com. The rule is that if it's not adapted (like Hans >> did for OFBiz in Thailand at , it should only link back to >> http://ofbiz.apache.org/ >> Same for the footer of http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/main (the "OFBiz >> feather" used for the tweet could be ok if all commiters get credentials and >> the PMC agree is the OFBiz official Tweeter account). Now >> http://www.ofbiz.in.th/ is wrong also as long it's not on the ASF infra >> (ofbiz should not be used in domain name outsided of ASF infrastructure, is >> there other cases?) >> >> It's time to clean the house, before all this becomes unmanageable >> (proliferation). I made my best to explain the rules, if you see a flaw in >> my reasoning please correct me. If you see other cases that should be >> corrected, chime in, it's your duty! >> >> And please also understand that it's really not pleaseant for me (or anyone >> else I guess) to play the cop and spend so much time on this (for persons >> out of PMC, we already shared some about this privately). I dot it only >> because I'm a third party (ie not HWM affiliated nor Ant Web) and I like >> things to be clear and no injustices prevail. If we continue to ignore this >> facts they will finally blow up in our faces (as this Tweeter account issue >> being to show) and nobody will win anything. There are rules, why not simply >> follow them, is that so hard? >> >> Jacques >> >> >> From: "Tim Ruppert" <tim.rupp...@hotwaxmedia.com> >>> Hans, please revert this one too - sorry. It wouldn't make sense for all >>> service providers to do this - so please let's not keep doing this stuff. >>> >>> What i would recommend for this kind of stuff, if we need to list it at >>> all, would be to enhance the service providers page on the wiki. I >>> mentioned this earlier but maybe we should add a full page, linked from >>> the service provider page, where people can put this type of info? I >>> personally think this is what your own website is for, but I'm all for >>> enhancing everyone's ability to get the word out. >>> >>> What does everyone think of that as a place to promote yourself? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ruppert >>> -- >>> Tim Ruppert >>> HotWax Media >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >>> >>> o:801.649.6594 >>> f:801.649.6595 >>> >>> On Mar 6, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm only going to send one email about this, If anyone else cares they >>>> can push it. >>>> >>>> This is news: >>>>> <a href="http://www.twitter.com/apache_ofbiz/"; target="_blank">Now OFBiz >>>>> on <b>TWITTER</b>, follow the news from an enduser perspective</a>, up to >>>>> one tweet per day. >>>> A link to your home page is not: >>>>> You can also promote OFBiz at your site with this news, look <a >>>>> href="http://www.antwebsystems.com";>here for an example.</a> >>>> >>>> Why you are constantly trying to push the boundaries I have no idea. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> On 6/03/2010, at 6:14 PM, hans...@apache.org wrote: >>>> >>>>> Author: hansbak >>>>> Date: Sun Mar 7 01:14:19 2010 >>>>> New Revision: 919905 >>>>> >>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=919905&view=rev >>>>> Log: >>>>> announcing the ofbiz twitter news now in line with the other news >>>>> offerings. >>>>> >>>>> Modified: >>>>> ofbiz/site/index.html >>>>> >>>>> Modified: ofbiz/site/index.html >>>>> URL: >>>>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/ofbiz/site/index.html?rev=919905&r1=919904&r2=919905&view=diff >>>>> === === === >>>>> ===================================================================== >>>>> --- ofbiz/site/index.html (original) >>>>> +++ ofbiz/site/index.html Sun Mar 7 01:14:19 2010 >>>>> @@ -237,6 +237,7 @@ >>>>> >>>>> <h2>In the News</h2> >>>>> <ul> >>>>> + <li><a href="http://www.twitter.com/ apache_ofbiz/" >>>>> target="_blank">Now OFBiz on <b>TWITTER</b>, follow the news from an >>>>> enduser perspective</a>, up to one tweet per day. You can also promote >>>>> OFBiz at your site with this news, look <a >>>>> href="http://www.antwebsystems.com";>here for an example.</a></li> >>>>> <li><a >>>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-implementing-a-product-pdf-export/ >>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial â?" Implementing a Product PDF >>>>> export</a> on <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" >>>>> target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li> >>>>> <li><a >>>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-implementing-a-product-csv-export/ >>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial â?" Implementing a Product CSV >>>>> export</a> on <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" >>>>> target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li> >>>>> <li><a >>>>> href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blog/ofbiz-tutorial-enhancing-the-product-list-screen/ >>>>> " target="_blank">OFBiz Tutorial â?" Enhancing the Product list >>>>> screen</a> on <a href="http://www.hotwaxmedia.com/apache-ofbiz-blo g/" >>>>> target="_blank">HotWax Media Blog</a></li> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >> > > >
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