On May 4, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "David E Jones" <d...@me.com> >> Jacques, >> >> Why do you recommend requesting changes in comments? > > http://markmail.org/message/iadu3l57gkb22lkf :p
Yeah, that was nearly 5 years ago. I would hope we could make progress in that time, especially for this sort of low frequency thing that is easily lost. >> There is no way to track them there, and a good chance fewer people (or no >> one) will notice them. > > You may use Confluence for that see > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/users/viewnotifications.action Yes, but how many committers have Confluence notifications setup, and how many want them? >> We also have a license granting issue which is better through Jira, though >> technically not required (ie for legal something over a >> mailing list, and perhaps in a comment, is okay but Jira has an explicit >> contribution thingy). >> >> I'm not sure what you meant by what you wrote here, but it is very different >> from what I wrote and it sounded like you were saying >> it was the same as what I wrote. >> >> Paul: I apologize for the confusion, quite frankly there aren't many >> contributions for the restricted spaces in Confluence, and as >> you can see there is not a consensus or even a meeting of the minds about >> how to handle it. I'd still recommend a Jira issue if >> you want to make sure your changes get tracked and don't slip through the >> cracks. Email and comments get lost a lot easier, and >> don't get seen by as many committers (especially if sent directly to a >> couple of people instead of to the mailing list). Comments >> are the same way, I don't know how many (if any) committers have >> notifications setup for all comments, I certainly don't. > > I have :o) And I follow it closely from the moment you gave me the rights for > that (some years ago). Actually I act as a sort of > Confluence moderator, and I do it seriously. Conflucen comments advantage: > Confluence formatting, a simple C/P and voilà. Still the > delegate and KISS way: as you said license granting is not required . If it works, fine. If I were contributing something to Confluence I would use a Jira issue to do it and keep track of it, and that's what I was trying to communicate to Paul. Otherwise I, as a contributor, would have to monitor and keep track of it instead of having a system to help with that. Just an FYI: Jira comments also support Confluence style formatting. -David >> On May 4, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >> >>> Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I think >>> it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the >>> established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to >>> suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page >>> to >>> change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more work >>> for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review >>> changes anyway). >>> >>> Jacques >>> PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the procedure >>> above rather. Note that I want to keep the same >>> structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book? >>> >>> From: "David E Jones" <d...@me.com> >>>> >>>> The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie >>>> create a Jira issue. >>>> >>>> Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence. If >>>> someone starts contributing a lot of content they will >>>> be >>>> invited to have permissions to do it directly. >>>> >>>> -David >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote: >>>> >>>>> OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques. >>>>> >>>>> I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while >>>>> everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the >>>>> project >>>>> administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions. >>>>> >>>>> I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right or we >>>>> have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to be 90% >>>>> right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly correct >>>>> the >>>>> last 10%. That is, if they have access to it. >>>>> >>>>> Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors should >>>>> be able to ignore? >>>>> >>>>> If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the >>>>> procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David E Jones-4 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce quantity >>>>>> and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers for >>>>>> the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to commit. >>>>>> Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we >>>>>> are... >>>>>> >>>>>> The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes and >>>>>> someone with permission can update the page. >>>>>> >>>>>> -David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and >>>>>>> checking >>>>>>> all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my own. >>>>>>> So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a >>>>>>> consensus... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>> To: jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jacques, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I >>>>>>> wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the OFBADMIN >>>>>>> wiki. Please move >>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books >>>>>>> and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will be >>>>>>> able to work on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul Foxworthy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd >>>>>>> PO Box 2773 >>>>>>> Cheltenham Vic 3192 >>>>>>> Phone: (03) 9585 6788 >>>>>>> Fax: (03) 9585 1086 >>>>>>> Web: http://www.cohsoft.com.au/ >>>>>>> Email: sa...@cohsoft.com.au >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system >>>>>>> http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: >>>>> http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Re-Please-move-Ofbiz-books-page-from-OFBADMIN-to-OFBIZ-wiki-tp3477620p3494531.html >>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>> >>> >> > >
