Done, thanks Paul

Jacques

From: "Paul Foxworthy" <p...@cohsoft.com.au>
Wow,

I have done both, then I read the rest of this thread.

Jacques, I don't have any images. Sharan or Ruth might want to supply one.

May our next discussion be about something more substantial...

Cheers

Paul Foxworthy


David E Jones-4 wrote:

On May 4, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

From: "David E Jones" &lt;d...@me.com&gt;
Jacques,

Why do you recommend requesting changes in comments?

http://markmail.org/message/iadu3l57gkb22lkf :p

Yeah, that was nearly 5 years ago. I would hope we could make progress in
that time, especially for this sort of low frequency thing that is easily
lost.

There is no way to track them there, and a good chance fewer people (or
no one) will notice them.

You may use Confluence for that see
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/users/viewnotifications.action

Yes, but how many committers have Confluence notifications setup, and how
many want them?

We also have a license granting issue which is better through Jira,
though technically not required (ie for legal something over a
mailing list, and perhaps in a comment, is okay but Jira has an explicit
contribution thingy).

I'm not sure what you meant by what you wrote here, but it is very
different from what I wrote and it sounded like you were saying
it was the same as what I wrote.

Paul: I apologize for the confusion, quite frankly there aren't many
contributions for the restricted spaces in Confluence, and as
you can see there is not a consensus or even a meeting of the minds
about how to handle it. I'd still recommend a Jira issue if
you want to make sure your changes get tracked and don't slip through
the cracks. Email and comments get lost a lot easier, and
don't get seen by as many committers (especially if sent directly to a
couple of people instead of to the mailing list). Comments
are the same way, I don't know how many (if any) committers have
notifications setup for all comments, I certainly don't.

I have :o) And I follow it closely from the moment you gave me the rights
for that (some years ago). Actually I act as a sort of
Confluence moderator, and I do it seriously. Conflucen comments
advantage: Confluence formatting, a simple C/P and voilĂ . Still the
delegate and KISS way: as you said  license granting is not required .

If it works, fine. If I were contributing something to Confluence I would
use a Jira issue to do it and keep track of it, and that's what I was
trying to communicate to Paul. Otherwise I, as a contributor, would have
to monitor and keep track of it instead of having a system to help with
that.

Just an FYI: Jira comments also support Confluence style formatting.

-David



On May 4, 2011, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

Though it has already been explained recently but shortly by David (I
think it's explained in the wiki somewhere also), the
established practise for Confluence (we call Wiki the open pages) is to
suggest your changes in a comment at bottom of the page
to
change. You can even use Confluence formatting there. It's not more
work for you and sligthly for us (we would have to review
changes anyway).

Jacques
PS: Paul, I have just received your documents, please follow the
procedure above rather. Note that I want to keep the same
structure, ie have you an image for Sharan's book?

From: "David E Jones" &lt;d...@me.com&gt;

The best procedure to submit contributions is the same as for code, ie
create a Jira issue.

Also, note that the same process as for code is used for Confluence.
If someone starts contributing a lot of content they will
be
invited to have permissions to do it directly.

-David


On May 3, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Paul Foxworthy wrote:

OK, I've sent what I'm thinking of to David and Jacques.

I can see that project policy and planning needs governance and while
everyone can contribute their own opinions on the mailing list, the
project
administration wiki should represent consensus and conclusions.

I suggest this is not in that category. Code needs to be 100% right
or we
have a broken system that nobody can use. A wiki page only needs to
be 90%
right, and if it exists and it is 90% right, people will quickly
correct the
last 10%. That is, if they have access to it.

Isn't the books page an example of something that core contributors
should
be able to ignore?

If nobody agrees with me, please give a clear statement of what the
procedure is to submit proposed changes to the OFBADMIN wiki.

Cheers

Paul Foxworthy


David E Jones-4 wrote:

The point of having that page in a restricted space is to reduce
quantity
and increase quality, just like having a limited group of committers
for
the OFBiz source code instead of allowing anyone and everyone to
commit.
Whether or not that is the result is another questions, but here we
are...

The better approach would be for Paul to send over proposed changes
and
someone with permission can update the page.

-David


On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:26 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:

Hi Paul,

Though I agree it could be done, since I'm anyway monitoring and
checking
all changes in the wiki, this is not a decision I should take on my
own.
So I forward on dev ML to ask the same... I think we will get a
consensus...

Thanks

Jacques
----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Foxworthy
To: jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:05 AM
Subject: Please move Ofbiz books page from OFBADMIN to OFBIZ wiki


Hi Jacques,

I see Ruth Hofffman has published an e-book on Ofbiz accounting. I
wanted to put it on the wiki, but I can't edit pages in the
OFBADMIN
wiki. Please move
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Related+Books
and its images to the general OFBIZ wiki. Then people like me will
be
able to work on it.

Thanks

Paul Foxworthy

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