I have no problem with moving them out. Pierre, there is actually very little functionality available to either of those apps and nothing that isn't already available in the main accounting app. They do however carry the burden of two extra webapps and a LOT of duplicated code. There is nothing there that couldn't be achieved with better handling of the permissions within the main accounting app. The goal here as with all of these cleanup efforts is to reduce unnecessary elements within OFBiz, improve the consistency of what is available and then move forward with good design on a solid base.
Moving components, webapps and whatever else to Extras is simply saying that we don't believe these items belong in a core OFBiz distribution, nothing prevents them from being maintained by the community and used by anyone who would choose to do so. If there is doubt that the components would be maintained after leaving OFBiz then in my mind that is more of a reason to discard them than to keep them. Regards Scott On 10/04/2012, at 1:09 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Hi Anil, > > Are you proposing and committing yourself to bring all non-overlapping > functions in AP and AR to the core of the accounting application whilst > maintaining the added value these to sub components offer regarding user > friendliness and separation of concerns BEFORE moving AP and AR out to the > pasture? > > In other words, redo all the work already done and perfectly working in > both sub components of accounting? I would say: if it aint broken, don't > try to fix it! > > Regards, > > Pierre > > > Op 10 april 2012 00:41 schreef Anil Patel <anil.pa...@hotwaxmedia.com> het > volgende: > >> Hi, >> >> I agree that toolset for supporting AR and AP processes are important for >> a business. Like Jacopo mentioned, AR and AP webapplications don't have any >> that does not already exists in Accounting webapplication. >> >> AR and AP webapplications are special purpose apps that try bring together >> screens relevant to context and User Role. So by removing AR and AP >> application from Accounting component we'll not be removing any >> functionality. User will still be able to do comparable thing from >> Accounting application. If there are exception I'll ensure its added to >> accounting before removing AR and AP apps from Accounting application. >> >> Also Moving Application out from Accounting to Ofbiz Extras does not mean >> that we have abandoned it. All it means is, User will install those apps >> based on their needs. I have seen many eCommerce installations that don't >> use accounting application at all. Such users will appreciate to get slim >> down Ofbiz :) >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Anil Patel >> HotWax Media Inc >> >> On Apr 8, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >>> It is very normal in FICO solutions to have as much as possible a >>> separation of concern implemented. This is applicable with regards to >>> inbound and outbound money flows (AR vs AP), and in and outbound flow of >>> goods (and the valueation thereof in FICO). For that (larger) companies >>> ensure that people involved in AR would not have access to functions in >> AP. >>> But in more sophisticated ERP solutions that also applicable with the >>> financial aspects of Asset Maint (that OFBiz has in the special purpose >>> application Asset Maint),stock movements, the wages,tax, pensions and >> soc >>> sec administration of personell , and liquid asset (cash, banks and cc-) >>> administration. >>> >>> All these are normally handled in sub accounting solutions (as are AR and >>> AP, stock) where transactions are registered per identified item (ie the >>> customer, supplier, stock item) and consolidated in transactions entries >> in >>> the general part of FICO. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> >>> Op 8 april 2012 07:53 schreef Jacopo Cappellato < >>> jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com> het volgende: >>> >>>> But for what I understand the AR and AP applications contain alternative >>>> screens to the ones in the main "accounting" application. They are an >>>> effort to implement more focused/specific applications versus the more >>>> generic "accounting" application. >>>> So, the main "accounting" application should already contain both the >>>> AR/AP features, but some of its screens could serve both. >>>> I would be in favor of the removal if we can make sure that all the >>>> features that are removed are still available (even if in a more generic >>>> way) in the "accounting" application. >>>> >>>> Jacopo >>>> >>>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 1:23 AM, David E Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> When I first saw the subject I was thinking this as well. >>>>> >>>>> I always wondered why those were created as separate applications, >>>>> perhaps for permission reasons I suppose. In a way they make more sense >>>>> as part of the accounting webapp instead of in separate ones. >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pierre Smits wrote: >>>>>> - 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Accounts payable (AP) and accounts receivable (AP) are together with >> the >>>>>> ability to process accounting transactions the core ingredients of a >>>> good >>>>>> FICO solution. Without both any accountant will state that your >>>> accounting >>>>>> solution is worthless. Without both core accounting components you >> (as a >>>>>> company) would have no overview of money owed to you or that you owe >> to >>>>>> others. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Op 7 april 2012 19:41 schreef Jacques Le Roux >>>>>> <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>het volgende: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>> Jacques >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anil Patel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> Like lot of other stuff, I think AR and AP applications should be >>>> moved >>>>>>>> out of Ofbiz Accounting component. As such they are >>>>>>>> special purpose application, but again not core to Ofbiz application >>>>>>>> framework. >>>>>>>> I recommend we should relocate AR and AP webapplications out of >> Ofbiz >>>>>>>> Accounting to Ofbiz Extras. If we as community agree, I'll >>>>>>>> put efforts to complete the job. >>>>>>>> Thanks and Regards >>>>>>>> Anil Patel >>>>>>>> HotWax Media Inc >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>
