Hi Paul, Yes makes sense
Thanks Jacques From: "Paul Foxworthy" <p...@cohsoft.com.au> > Hi Daniel and Jacques, > > The Freemarker source is for human beings, and the results for a browser. So > I would like IDE support for completion and indenting for Freemarker source. > > The results don't matter so much, and if there is an option to pretty-print > the results, I would argue that pretty-printing should be optional, and > pretty-printing should be off by default to save processor cycles. It's just > the sort of thing you might want to turn on in a debugging situation, and > off in production. > > XML processors seem to do a similar thing. If you want human-readable > output, you ask for it. See for example > http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/jaxp/xslt/writingDom.html , where > call setOutputProperty when you want the output indented. > > Cheers > > Paul Foxworthy > > > Jacques Le Roux wrote >> Hi Daniel, >> >> From: "Daniel Dekany" < > >> ddekany@ > >> > >>> Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 12:07:00 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Daniel, >>>> >>>> When I think about Freemarker, it's just the perfect tool to me >>>> when it comes to generate conditional HTML code (I mostly use it in >>>> this context). I never missed anything but a tool to format the code. >>>> There are some Freemarker Eclipse plugins around, but none of them >>>> is able to format the code. >>> >>> Surely improving IDE plugins is at least as important as improving >>> FreeMarker itself... or if someone just have basic templates (no fancy >>> macro libraries and such), it's actually much more important. I won't >>> be able to work on IDE plugins in this cycle though. >>> >>>> And anyway there are more to this than >>>> IDE usage. For instance, templates can be used in the context of a CMS. >>>> >>>> So what I would really enjoy would be : >>>> 1) A consensus on how to format the code, where 2 spaces would be >>>> used for indentation spacing. >>> >>> (You should use the same indentation size for FTL tags as for the >>> generated code. Like, in Java templates you use 4, but in HTML >>> templates 2.) >>> >>>> Some proposed to format the FTL code >>>> independently of the generated code (HTML in my, and motstly OFBiz >>>> OOTB, case). I would prefer to indent both at the same time but to >>>> also generate the (HTML) code formatted independently of the >>>> freemarker file content. I can give an example if necessary... >>> >>> Do you mean things like: >>> >>> foo >>> <#if ...> >>> bar >>> </#if> >>> baaz >>> >>> should output >>> >>> foo >>> bar >>> baaz >>> >>> instead of >>> >>> foo >>> bar >>> baaz >>> >>> ? Then I think that should be done by FreeMarker itself when it loads >>> the templates. (Although this becomes lot more tricky if you consider >>> macro calls... then it has to be done partially on runtime.) >> >> Yes that's exactly what I meant, >> 1) A tool to automatically format as below. IDE plugin comes to mind, but >> of course an independent tool, reused by IDE plugins, would be better. >>> foo >>> <#if ...> >>> bar >>> </#if> >>> baaz >> by taking into account only the Freemarker syntax, (HTML)content following >> Freemarker indentation >> >> 2) Freemarker renderers to format HTML or XML code (more could be used) as >> expected by the convention used for this language depending on tags (as >> you said indentation of 2 spaces for HTML, IMO same for XML). >> >>>> 2) This would be an independent tool (class or package, maybe a >>>> lib) usable in many circumstances, IDE plugins being the one coming >>>> instantly to mind >>> >>> I plan (just a plan...) to write an FTL 2.3->2.4 (or -> 3.0?) >>> conversion tool, because I want to deprecate or even ban some >>> historical FTL baggage when FreeMarker is not used in >>> 2.3.0-compatible-mode (no worries, 2.3.0-compatible will be the >>> default). Maybe it will be a good place to add re-indentation logic to >>> later. >> >> Sure, it's just an idea for a long term plan. Actually IDE plugins should >> have their own Freemarker formatters. But it seems nobody care, and I >> really wonder why. Notably JBoss, they have much more resources than any >> of us... >> >> BTW I use Eclipse, is IntelliJ IDEA doing better? Just read that >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9385561/freemarker-eclipse-plug-in#comments-9395144 >> >> Jacques >> >>>> Thanks for asking >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Daniel Dekany" < > >> ddekany@ > >> > >>>>> Monday, February 25, 2013, 5:51:24 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Daniel, >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for contacting us and for your efforts in improving Freemarker. >>>>>> Freemarker is indeed important for OFBiz because it is the primary >>>>>> template engine and we have several screens implemented with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the tickets I would love to see resolved is this: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3527625&group_id=794&atid=100794 >>>>> >>>>> Sure, that's #2 on the 2.3.20 TODO list, and 2.3.20 comes before >>>>> whatever other more ambitious developments. >>>>> >>>>> Here, I mostly wanted to hear about any FreeMarker related "itches". >>>>> Like annoyances that you have to go through again and again, or some >>>>> features you wish it had. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Daniel Dekany >>>>> >>>>>> In fact we are currently using in OFBiz a modified version of >>>>>> Freemarker jar to integrate this feature. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will try to keep an eye on the Freemarker forums and activities >>>>>> and I will try to offer my help if I see areas where I could help; >>>>>> of course feel free to contact us for help on specific tasks too, we >>>>>> will do our best to support your efforts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jacopo >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Daniel Dekany wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm the main maintainer of the FreeMarker template engine over the >>>>>>> last few years. I plan to allocate serious amount of time[*] for >>>>>>> FreeMarker development in the near future, at least if I perceive >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> there's enough interest in the developer community (of OfBiz, Struts, >>>>>>> Alfresco, Magnolia, etc). The goal of this effort is fixing >>>>>>> long-standing issues (mostly design issues that can be addressed >>>>>>> without breaking backward compatibility), adding frequently requested >>>>>>> missing features, increasing usability (better error messages, better >>>>>>> documentation) and to make FreeMarker more accessible for potential >>>>>>> contributors (fixing the branching mess, switching to Maven, Git, >>>>>>> modularization, addressing licensing and CLA issues). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thus, I would like to hear about the wishes of the OFBiz developers. >>>>>>> What features you crave for the most, how could FreeMarker integrate >>>>>>> better with your product, what are the things your users most often >>>>>>> has problems with, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *: I'm thinking about 300 hours or so, done within a 2-3 months >>>>>>> period, but it depends on the feedback. This I plan to do for free. >>>>>>> If FreeMarker is an important component in your ecosystem, and you >>>>>>> think you can support this effort in some ways, of course, contact >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Daniel Dekany >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Daniel Dekany >>> > > > > > > ----- > -- > Coherent Software Australia Pty Ltd > http://www.coherentsoftware.com.au/ > > Bonsai ERP, the all-inclusive ERP system > http://www.bonsaierp.com.au/ > > -- > View this message in context: > http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/Survey-for-preparing-FreeMarker-development-effort-tp4639549p4639808.html > Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
