Thanks Taher,

I'm aware of those and I sometimes indeed use msysgit for some exotic git 
commands (there are so much), though I prefer to use TortoiseGit in much cases.
Scite is also fast and includes regex of course, I can use also Eclipse for that and Putty for SSH (I even recently found Windows has an excellent VPN client embedded)...

What I want to emphasize is no, Windows users are not idiots, and no, I don't 
want to learl Vim :p

Jacques

Le 09/09/2014 07:39, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
Hi Jaques,

I am not sure if this is helpful for your comments below .. but i know of
multiple software packages (git for windows which has msysgit for example)
that provide native linux tools on windows including grep and ssh (for
local and remote work).

Furthermore you can still download powerful text editors on windows. Vim
for example, is extremely fast with massive text files which we opened in
the past and regex through that thing is a breeze.

So I guess I'm trying to emphasize that the OS choice is not a big issue
with proper tools.

Taher Alkhateeb
On Sep 9, 2014 8:08 AM, "Jacques Le Roux" <jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com>
wrote:

Le 08/09/2014 23:31, Scott Gray a écrit :

On 9/09/2014, at 2:59 am, Jacopo Cappellato <jacopo.cappell...@gmail.com>
wrote:

  On Sep 8, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

  Then, if nobody mind, I'd like to re-add the error.log concept
I prefer you don't but if I am the only one I would not object.

Jacopo

I spend a lot of time debugging production instances and I never use it,
so I'd prefer if it wasn't there as well.  Using grep to list errors is a
simple alternative that doesn't require additional files.  Individual
errors are often worthless without the surrounding INFO and DEBUG
information IMO.

I had also my share of reading myself blind at production logs and I must
admit I then rarely used the error.log, but indeed greped. Let me list the
cases I found error.Log useful, first I must say my platform of choice is
Windows.
When in development and test phase, using either File Explorer on Windows
(development) or WinSCP on servers (test). It's then the fastest way to get
an idea on what is going wrong. The same applies with OFBiz demos on the
OFBiz-VM at the ASF. Once the file (error.log) is open (I use Scite as
local text editor) either from File Explorer or WinSCP, it's a breeze to
refresh it, because normally this file is lighter than ofbiz.log (else you
have a big problem).

Also we removed console.log. In some cases I found it very convenient. On
the other hand I can agree that having a lot of logs written can slow down
the system. And I guess that's the reason why Jacopo and you are against
multiplying them. I believe, contrary to console.log, simply re-adding
error should not have an important impact in most circumstances, hopefully
you have not  that much error in your instance.

The idea is I don't want to have to manually re-add it each time I want
it. For console.log these cases are less frequent, so doing it by hand then
will not be a problem. I will even maybe add a patch for console.log in the
repo, ready to use...

What others think?

Jacques


Regards
Scott




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