> > The passport component is an optional. So is the e-commerce component and > almost everything else is.
Not sure about this. Where apps should be placed is matter of viewpoint. And we have viewpoints > aplenty. Some regard e-commerce to be a core (framework + application > stack) extension Should it be a matter of viewpoint? Clearly, there must be a standard approach. Ofbiz is an ERP system first and foremost and as such should have the typical ERP functionalities as applications (as it does now). *Application Stack*: Accounting, Manufacturing and or Distribution, CRM, HR and Payroll, Inventory, Marketing and Sales etc. should be under the application stack as a minimum. These aren't optional. *Technology Stack*: Technologies without which these cannot be implemented go under the Framework/Technology stack. *Special Purpose*: Project Management, e-Commerce, Hospitality, Brewing? IMHO special purpose should not be used for third party technologies/integration. *Tools/Plugins*: BIRT, DotNet, eBay, OAuth2, Lucene, Solr etc. Regards Gavin On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> wrote: > The passport component is an optional. So is the e-commerce component and > almost everything else is. There are some dependencies from components in > the applications and framework stacks to specifics in the special purpose > stack (birt, ldap - when applied and lucene?). But those are few, and we > can live with as these few enhance the functionality of the lower level > components and thus user experience. > > Where apps should be placed is matter of viewpoint. And we have viewpoints > aplenty. Some regard e-commerce to be a core (framework + application > stack) extension. In its current state it is part of a vertical to. Retail > in particular, as it isn't a complete front-end solution for B2B (multiple > verticals), B2G (ambiguous vertical) and marketplaces (again multiple > verticals). If you don't do manufacturing, shouldn't the same named > component not be an optional and thus not in applications. If you do HRM > but don't use the humanres component, shouldn't that component be better of > in the special purpose stack stack without being referenced in the > component-load.xml file. > > The special purpose stack is a good place for any application/component but > the base registers in the applications stack. We should consider to make as > many as possible optional in that stack, by removing its reference in the > aforementioned component-load.xml. As it would surely reduce server load. > And we would give adopters a choice. Not only before adopting, but also > during the lifespan. > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Gavin Mabie <kwikst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Jacques > > > > My concern is about the proper use of the specialpurpose folder. Birt is > > IMO not a special purpose application, but rather a tool that can be used > > across applications, and so is Lucene. Additionally, these are optional > > functionalities and therefore non-core. My thinking is that if something > is > > optional, non-core and not a special implementation of the framework, > then > > it should go into this folder. So I agree that BIRT and Lucene are > > candidates for inclusion in this folder (my knowledge of OAGIS is sketchy > > at best). BTW I'm not to sure about calling it "Tools". "Plugins" is > the > > term that is widely used for this sort of thing. > > > > Gavin > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > > jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Gavin, > > > > > > Interesting, so you would suggest to create a new tools folder at the > > same > > > level of dependency than specialpurpose and to add this new passport > > > Component to it. > > > Then we could also move ldap. I thought about jetty also, but I will > > > rather open a new thread for that since we decided to discuss to move > it > > to > > > Attic > > > > > > Do you (everybody ;)) see other components which could me moved to this > > > new tools folder? Maybe bi, birt, oagis, even lucene? > > > > > > Jacques > > > > > > > > > Le 21/03/2015 08:32, Gavin Mabie a écrit : > > > > > > Hi Jacques > > >> > > >> I know that there's been quite a bit of discussion about this and I > > don't > > >> want to rehash stuff that's been dealt with and agreed upon in the > past > > - > > >> but is this really a special purpose component? It appears to be a > > >> tool/utility. Special purpose components should really be for special > > >> applications of the Ofbiz Framework, i.e. applying the framework in a > > >> special user or industry way. So for example, ecommerce is a special > > >> purpose component - it implements ofbiz in a user specific way. Ofiz > > >> Healh > > >> Care/Communications/Hospitality/Government/ etc would be industry > > special > > >> purpose components. > > >> > > >> Gavin > > >> > > >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com > > > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Might indeed be interesting for a increase in the consumer area and > not > > >>> the > > >>> back end (but with market places and that tendency might shift). > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> It seems there are some security concerns. See here: > > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAuth#OAuth_2.0. Yet the list of > > providers > > >>> is > > >>> impressive. > > >>> And I have look over the issue and wonder if we really need the gson > > and > > >>> paypal jars. > > >>> > > >>> Best regards, > > >>> > > >>> Pierre Smits > > >>> > > >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > > >>> Services and Retail & Trade > > >>> http://www.orrtiz.com > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Jacques Le Roux < > > >>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>> Shi Jinghai contributed a Passport Component for OAuth2 at > > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-6135 > > >>>> > > >>>> It seems to me an interesting specialpurpose component to add. I > will > > do > > >>>> so if nobody is against. > > >>>> > > >>>> Jacques > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >
