Hi,

Taher I like you proposal, and I wish to add some complement :)

hot-deploy is to manage specific customer site component with the business logic specific to each, Apache OFBiz can help to prepare this but do not more (I will like to have this as best practice)

I agree to add a new directory plugins and structure it for the future vision :
* add capacity to download a plugin from the asf repo
* support extension to download from a third plateform (like the /etc/apt/source.list on debian) * manage namespace and as you said dependencies. Need give some coding contions

We can create the plugins directory, and keep specialpurpose on a first step and move step by step each component present.

I imagine a process like this :
* ./gradlew installPlugin org.apache.ofbiz.framework.birt :
-> check if birt is present on the plugins directory, if not download from svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz-pulgins/branches/relatedRelease/org/apache/ofbiz/framework/birt
 -> enable it on component-load
 -> compile, load init date and run init service

When you run ./gradlew installAllPlugin :
* Realize installPlugin on all know plugins, with the official apache ofbiz release, only plugins present on svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz-pulgins/branches/relatedRelease/org/apache/ofbiz/

Nicolas

Le 20/07/2016 à 07:29, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
Hi Pierre, all,

I think perhaps my proposal was short and therefore your understanding of
it is a bit different than what I had in mind. So I list below more
specifically what I mean about each point from the ones you mentioned above
to further fine-tune the discussion.

- The difference between createComponent and createPlugin is that the
plugin resides in /plugins instead of hot-deploy and added to
component-load.xml and also contains a build.gradle file designed
specifically for plugins. This script contains standard tasks like install,
uninstall, perhaps even upgrade. The magic work for plugins will be in
their build scripts to integrate tightly with OFBiz.

- The activate/deactivate tasks are just a little convenience tasks that
add/remove components to the component-load.xml instead of editing it by
hand so it is just using what exists. Gradle completely ignores a component
if it does not exist in component-load.xml and would not even compile it.
So you can think of this as just providing more ease to the end-user,
similar to your suggestion with the createComponent.

- The install/uninstall tasks are not just a copy-paste of folders. It
actually executes business logic (optionally) for any plugin author who
wishes to execute it (by calling specific tasks in build.gradle for that
plugin). For example, it might apply patches on some core applications (and
reverse patches in case of uninstall). Now our standard plugins do not
touch applications or framework, but since we are introducing this feature
I'm trying to also combine a unified solution for all plugins (Apache
supported and 3rd party). So in one shot we have both ease of use for the
existing components and at the same time a general purpose plugin system.
We might even have a task like say "updatePlugin" in the future and it is
also possible to introduce rudimentary dependency management (Gradle is
really good at this).

Finally, what to do about specialpurpose is something we should definitely
tackle, however what I am suggesting right now is some foundational work
that gives you easy choices when you need to make them, and it has the
added bonus of introducing a plugin system for OFBiz which is badly needed
to protect the core framework and applications and to provide an eco-system
around it. I'm trying to reach a win-win solution if you will.

Regards,

Taher Alkhateeb

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:18 AM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

Le 19/07/2016 à 22:57, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

the graph needs to be checked/amended to possibly remove components
dependencies only introduced by the data model

Sorry, I have noticed I have the bad tendency of using the word
"introduced" instead of "put" or "add" (due to "introduire" false friend in
French) please replace for me when you see it, thanks! :)
Here the right word would have been "due to" instead of "introduced by"

Jacques

PS: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=introduction



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