I agree Taher, from so far feedbacks it seems it more the manner to use it which needs to
be addressed. What about "opening it" only for
1. together working days
2. when we agree about quickly exchanging on a subject previously roughly
explained on dev ML
By "opening it" I mean we would have a chat channel always ready but we would use only in these (and possibly others) occasions. Having history always
available is still a must, better if it's automated.
Jacques
Le 24/08/2016 à 09:28, Taher Alkhateeb a écrit :
Hello everyone,
To put some context into this discussion please note the reason why we
started hipchat in the first place is because of communication barriers.
As we started the refactoring project many people were overwhelmed with the
complexity of some of the tasks, and people needed to discuss things and
explore and brainstorm. In that respect the mailing list proved to be an
inefficient communication tool. Here are some reasons:
- You need more energy and time to compose your thoughts and say something
of value in the mailing list.
- It might be intimidating for some individuals to ask very basic questions
or irrelevant topics in the mailing list where everybody's reading. People
usually restrain themselves in the mailing list which is the correct thing
to do. We should not to litter it with a lot of useless information.
- brainstorming is hard on the mailing list because you are exploring an
area that you're not confident in and you need instant feedback and back
and forth exchange to come up with something of value.
- How about mentoring and pair programming? Can you do that in the mailing
list or in the JIRAs? Probably not, or at least not well.
- People get to know each other more closely which add to the harmony of
the project. I made good friends and learned that we have wonderful people
in the community. The exchange to build this kind of rapport might not be
suitable in the mailing list.
So to summarize the mailing list is absolutely important and it is the
basis for all decisions. But we DO have a gap in communication that I think
instant messaging applications like hipchat can fill.
Taher Alkhateeb
On Aug 24, 2016 8:50 AM, "Scott Gray" <scott.g...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
I'm in two minds about it.
On one hand it's nice to be able to chat in real time with other community
members and increasing our sense of community is important for the project.
But on the other hand, I fear it would too often be used to have
discussions that should really be had on the user/dev lists. The benefits
of our discussions on these email lists being archived and searchable
really can't be understated, I use it heavily to refresh my memory (along
with svn history) about anything and everything OFBiz related.
If the HipChat logs were stored with the ASF and made public I would 100%
be in favor of using it. Maybe in the future infra can come up with
something more suitable.
Community days might be a good compromise between the two positions though,
we could perhaps even copy/paste the chat logs into confluence for future
reference and to benefit those who were unable to attend.
Regards
Scott
On 24 August 2016 at 17:27, Ashish Vijaywargiya <
ashish.vijaywarg...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
Hipchat is a wonderful software. I think opening it for community day can
be a good step but I would refrain to open it on the daily basis. Thanks!
--
Kind Regards
Ashish Vijaywargiya
HotWax Systems - est. 1997
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Sharan Foga <sharan.f...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi All
A few weeks ago, in response to the results of the Committer Survey, I
setup a trial Hipchat environment to help with Committer Mentoring.
(See
links to the previous discussion threads below:)
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8b8738c3adcb1b7aafd7c90f9b1cbb
54500578d8cd392c3b18d635b9@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5b64aad3bbaca967cf432adfd62ce6
8901c95218a8aa59d706aed6bc@%3Cdev.ofbiz.apache.org%3E
I really liked the HipChat environment and think that it's a great
collaborative tool that also helps build community spirit. So now I'd
like
to get some feedback :-)
First of all I'd like to hear from the committers and mentors who
participated to find out what they thought of the HipChat environment,
what
their general comments are and whether they would like it to be made
available on a permanent basis.
Secondly I'd like to get some general feedback from everyone to find
out
if the whole community would also be interested in participating in
HipChat
environment (e.g. for collaborating on Jiras, or during our Community
Days). Other ASF projects have HipChat spaces setup and publish a link
that
anyone can use to join and we could do the same.
The mailing list would still be used for discussions and decisions but
if
people are working together on a particular task then this could be a
good
way to speed up the process. I'm thinking particularly about things
like
the re-factoring and our Jira backlog where bringing together the
reporter
and the developer could make things move a lot more quickly!)
We have another Community Day coming up in a few weeks on 17th
September
so it could be a good chance to see how it could work in action. What
do
people think?
Thanks
Sharan
