Hi All, So right now, is getting the website up and running our first task?
Thanks On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 10:06 PM, DRAGOSH, PAMELA L (PAM) < [email protected]> wrote: > Just an FYI update - I have been out sick the last week and just getting > back. > > I will work on the website over the weekend. > > I do need to know how I can pull in David’s request? Would that work > through the mirrored github repository (assuming I have the access to do > so)? Or is there another method? > > Thanks, > > Pam > > On 2/19/16, 11:27 AM, "David Ash" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >Nice! Sounds awesome. I'm a little jealous of having 3 weeks to work on > >whatever you want. :-) > > > >On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 8:46 AM Farazath Ahamed <[email protected]> > >wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> At the beginning of this thread I felt really sad that this project was > >> going to retire. But towards the end I really felt there's still hope. > >>I am > >> doing my final exams as an undergraduate right now. I will have about > >>three > >> weeks right after the exams. I would like to invest those three weeks > >>for > >> this project as I feel XACML isn't dead but it's just that people are > >>yet > >> to realize it's full potential. > >> > >> With the new buzz word Microservices going around I believe people would > >> look to ways of externalizing authorization and guess what they would > >>find > >> out : XACML. I would love to keep this project alive and help in any way > >> possible. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:57 AM, David Ash <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > Wait, just realized the issues in that jira link are old. Which means > >> jira > >> > has been there for a long time. I was temporarily under the > >>misconception > >> > that jira just got put up and had all that activity. Instead its a > >> > reflection of the slow down after July. > >> > > >> > But we can get some activity in there again! Heck I've already done > >>some > >> of > >> > that stuff, although it wasn't committed and things do appear to have > >> > changed so the work will have to be done again. But its no biggie. > >>Things > >> > like changing 500 files to get rid of att naming is right up my alley. > >> :-) > >> > On Feb 9, 2016 9:20 PM, "David Ash" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Wow. Awesome. Things are about to start happening here, I can tell. > >> Great > >> > > job everyone. Way to save a project. > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016, 9:03 PM Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENAZ > >> > >> > >> > >> Hadrian > >> > >> > >> > >> On 02/09/2016 11:20 AM, David Ash wrote: > >> > >> > So much to talk about, so many good thoughts. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I think there's a path forward, and I definitely would vote to > >>keep > >> > this > >> > >> > project alive. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - I am interested in developing and helping the project move > >> > >> forward. I > >> > >> > hope that Carlos is also interested in putting in some work > >>to > >> > make > >> > >> this > >> > >> > project happen. Personally, sure I'm busy but I don't feel > >>like > >> > >> there's a > >> > >> > lot of work to be done to make this project releasable and do > >> the > >> > >> things > >> > >> > necessary to make it pick up and bring in more people. The > >>core > >> > >> code base > >> > >> > is already highly functional. I know it works because I > >>worked > >> on > >> > >> an > >> > >> > application that consumed its services at AT&T back in the > >>day. > >> > >> There's > >> > >> > just a bit of work to smoothing out the process of > >>installation > >> > and > >> > >> running > >> > >> > it with a standard servlet server. And it needs > >>documentation. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - I'm a little disheartened that we haven't heard from Pam > >> > Dragosh. > >> > >> > She's the original visionary behind it, and I'd very much > >>like > >> to > >> > >> have just > >> > >> > a little bit of her time to help us transition it the rest of > >> the > >> > >> way to > >> > >> > Apache (not coding, but a transfer of knowledge to aid > >> > >> documentation. And > >> > >> > maybe it's just all implemented according to some spec, but > >>I'm > >> > not > >> > >> aware > >> > >> > of whether the XACML spec somehow specifies API endpoints, > >>etc). > >> > >> And > >> > >> > there's an entire admin API that is difficult to reverse > >> engineer. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - I work for a company that may be willing to donate some > >>work > >> in > >> > >> > exchange for a bit of recognition. I am going to the Fluent > >> > >> conference in > >> > >> > early March, and will be meeting the CTO of my company there. > >> I'm > >> > >> going to > >> > >> > use that opportunity to try to get him on-board with us > >>helping > >> > this > >> > >> > project. I think it makes sense for both the project and the > >> > >> company. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - I agree it's probably the wrong thread to talk Maven vs. > >> Gradle, > >> > >> but > >> > >> > if Gradle has some advantages (which it sounds like it does), > >> > maybe > >> > >> moving > >> > >> > to Gradle is what needs to happen. Sure, it's only 1%, but > >> that's > >> > >> where > >> > >> > this project is. We're basically that 1% of the way away > >>from > >> > >> being able > >> > >> > to release this, with the exception of documentation (and to > >> some > >> > >> degree > >> > >> > promotion). > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - We obviously need some basic project management work to get > >> > >> done. We > >> > >> > need a JIRA instance up and running for us, and we need some > >> tasks > >> > >> put in > >> > >> > there. Who can volunteer to make some/all of that happen? > >>If > >> no > >> > >> one else > >> > >> > wants to volunteer, I can do it (although if Apache already > >>has > >> an > >> > >> instance > >> > >> > for us to use, I don't know where it is). And who could edit > >> the > >> > >> main page > >> > >> > to create those links? Can Carlos and I be promoted to make > >> more > >> > >> things > >> > >> > happen? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - We need a roadmap. I'm not big on roadmaps personally, > >>but I > >> > >> have a > >> > >> > basic idea of what it needs to be for the short term: > >> > >> > - Smooth out the build process. > >> > >> > - Get AT&T out of anywhere it remains in the code. > >> > >> > - Version 1.0 Release > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Any other thoughts? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Sinnema, Remon < > >> [email protected] > >> > > > >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> Attracting outside interest will be hard when it's unclear what > >> > people > >> > >> can > >> > >> >> work on. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> The project page doesn't provide a lot of information: > >> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openaz.html > >> > >> >> The "website" that it links to gives 404. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> There is no link to the issue tracker. Emmanuel mentioned JIRA, > >>but > >> > >> where > >> > >> >> is it? > >> > >> >> I couldn't find a roadmap either. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> The code contains no guidance about the various sub-projects, > >>how > >> > they > >> > >> >> relate together, and what their status is. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Give this situation, if I wanted to contribute, I wouldn't know > >> where > >> > >> to > >> > >> >> start. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> BTW, the old project page still exists but doesn't link to > >>Apache: > >> > >> >> http://www.openliberty.org/wiki/index.php/OpenAz_Main_Page > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> >> From: David Ash [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > >> >> Sent: maandag 8 februari 2016 22:42 > >> > >> >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] - Retire OpenAz? > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> I think it hasn't seen much activity over the past two months > >> because > >> > >> it's > >> > >> >> been a holiday season. I know most of the AT&T people take > >>most of > >> > >> >> December off (once upon a time, I was one). > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> It has a lot of work to be done before it's functional and even > >> > >> remotely > >> > >> >> mature, and we're not going to see a lot of outside interest > >>until > >> it > >> > >> gets > >> > >> >> there. > >> > >> >> * The Admin part is crucial, and it hadn't even been ported > >>over (I > >> > >> ported > >> > >> >> it myself, still need to fork in github and do a pull-request). > >> > >> >> * There's a shortage of documentation. To the point that it's > >> > >> unusable. > >> > >> >> * It's complicated enough that its difficult to come up with the > >> > >> >> documentation. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Now, sure there seems to be a shortage of interest but I say > >>give > >> > that > >> > >> >> time. XACML is not a thing of the past, it's still part of the > >> > future. > >> > >> >> Organizations and software developers are still slowly moving to > >> > XACML > >> > >> -- > >> > >> >> it is the best authorization solution in existence to my > >>knowledge, > >> > and > >> > >> >> fits nicely into a modern auth stack with SCIM, JSON Identity > >> Suite, > >> > >> OpenID > >> > >> >> Connect, and OAuth. ( > >> > >> >> http://www.slideshare.net/nordicapis/1415-twobo-nordicap-istour > >> > >> >> ). Most developers still aren't using an external authorization > >> > >> solution > >> > >> >> because they are building highly-coupled monolithic software > >>that > >> > >> sucks. > >> > >> >> And honestly, there aren't a lot of other free open source > >>options. > >> > >> The > >> > >> >> only alternative I see that is any good is WSO2's Identity > >>Server > >> > >> (which is > >> > >> >> vastly superior to this product, but hey that's an opportunity > >>in > >> > some > >> > >> >> ways). If this project really succeeded, it would at least > >>allow > >> > >> >> developers of open source systems to build better, more modular > >> > >> software. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> The main problem I see is that AT&T still has most of the > >>knowledge > >> > >> and is > >> > >> >> able to put very little effort behind it. We need Pam's team to > >> > write > >> > >> up > >> > >> >> some high quality documentation (particularly for the API's) and > >> > >> release > >> > >> >> that information. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> The other problem I see is there's kind of a lack of vision as > >>far > >> > as I > >> > >> >> can tell. We need someone in the lead that has the time to > >>craft a > >> > >> vision > >> > >> >> for what this product should really be. When you look at WSO2's > >> > >> Identity > >> > >> >> Server, you immediately start realizing the possibilities -- > >>things > >> > >> that > >> > >> >> this project haven't even touched yet. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> David Ash > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> PS. I'll put in a pull request for my port of the Admin > >>interface. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny < > >> > [email protected] > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>> Le 08/02/16 16:53, Carlos Perez a écrit : > >> > >> >>>> Hi guys, > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> While I completely understand the reasoning for the > >>discussion to > >> > >> >>>> retire OpenAXZ, and to be completely honest I was surprised it > >> took > >> > >> >>>> this long), it would be a real shame to see it just fade away > >> into > >> > >> >> oblivion. > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> I Agree. > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> That said, what does happen when a project never makes it to a > >> TLP? > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> From Apache POV, not a lot. We just shut down the mailing > >>lists, > >> > and > >> > >> >>> close the repos (no more writes allowed). > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> Does > >> > >> >>>> it have a chance to be resuscitated later if it is deemed > >> > worthwhile > >> > >> >>>> and has more interest? > >> > >> >>> It's always a possibility. A very remote one, I have to say. > >>The > >> > fact > >> > >> >>> that in almost 2 years the project hasn't be able to attract > >>any > >> new > >> > >> >>> contributors, and that almost no activity has been seen from > >>the > >> > >> >>> initial contributors make it unlikely that the project could > >>make > >> a > >> > >> come > >> > >> >> back. > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> In 10 years, I haven't seen that happen. Not once. > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> Does the license revert back to AT&T? > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> Good question. I can ask [email protected] about that. The fact that > it > >> > >> didn't > >> > >> >>> make it to a TLP might be relevant. For TLPs, the code base has > >> been > >> > >> >>> granted to The ASF and remains so, same for the name. > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> XACML is a complicated spec and I can¹t say that I fully > >> understand > >> > >> >>>> it yet, but I think it solves a real problem (I just regret > >>not > >> > >> >>>> having the time personally to help push it along). > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> That's the main issue : the fcat that it's a complex code base > >> might > >> > >> >>> be intimidating for many of the potential users. But IMHO, > >>would > >> it > >> > be > >> > >> >>> really a critical brick of many IT systems, it *would* have > >> > attracted > >> > >> >>> developpers. That raises the question of XACML as a useful > >> > technology. > >> > >> >>> It as been around for more than 10 years now, and I'm not sure > >> that > >> > it > >> > >> >>> captured a lot of interest. But that may be just me... (and I > >> > *think* > >> > >> >>> it could have been a big hit years ago. Not so sure nowadays.) > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> Thanks ! > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *A.Farasath Ahamed* > >> Undergraduate | Department of Computer Science and > >>Engineering,University > >> of Moratuwa > >> Article Writer | MoraSpirit > >> Mobile: +94 777 603 866 > >> Blog: blog.farazath.com > >> E-Mail: [email protected] > >> > > -- *A.Farasath Ahamed* Undergraduate | Department of Computer Science and Engineering,University of Moratuwa Article Writer | MoraSpirit Mobile: +94 777 603 866 Blog: blog.farazath.com E-Mail: [email protected]
