Xuanwo <[email protected]> 于2023年11月18日周六 20:15写道： > > > This is usually measuring whether the project is fully understanding the > > ASF culture, including don't set the bar too high, and be open. > > Yes, OpenDAL maintains a low bar for both committers and PPMC members: we've > welcomed 2 new PPMC members and 9 new committers during the incubation period > which is less than 9 months. > > > Committer and PMC member are same from privilege of codes. PMC members are > > only taking more responsibilities to take actions on security, board > > request, vote evaluation. > > The common misunderstanding is, PMC members should have more power, or aka > > more authority. +1 binding is a responsibility, not a power. > > I toally agree the comments here. PMC members will have more responsibility > to take and this is why we set different bar for committers and PPMC members > for now. > > I propose promoting committers to PPMC members based on their prior > contributions before initiating our vote for graduation, rather than > automatically including all existing committers as PPMC members.
About this `rather than` thing. It is too early to say. I will hold mine until the graduation discussion comes. To other mentors, please consider this as a factor about the maturity of the project community, although this is from one member of the PMC. > > On Sat, Nov 18, 2023, at 19:46, Sheng Wu wrote: > > Xuanwo <[email protected]>于2023年11月18日 周六19:36写道： > > > >> > Generally, all members of the PPMC will be included in the TLP PMC. All > >> > members of the IPC will be invited to join the TLP PMC. > >> > >> LGTM. > >> > >> > I'll additionally suggest including all the current committers in the TLP > >> > PMC unless there is a certain issue. > >> > >> Could you provide more background information on this suggestion? Both > >> committers and PMC members earn their positions through contributions. > >> Those who haven't been included as PPMC members likely lack sufficient > >> contributions. It wouldn't be fair to include them just because OpenDAL is > >> graduating. > >> > >> Indeed, we have several potential PPMC members. However, I believe we > >> should promote them individually and separate this process from our project > >> graduation. > > > > > > This is usually measuring whether the project is fully understanding the > > ASF culture, including don't set the bar too high, and be open. > > Committer and PMC member are same from privilege of codes. PMC members are > > only taking more responsibilities to take actions on security, board > > request, vote evaluation. > > The common misunderstanding is, PMC members should have more power, or aka > > more authority. +1 binding is a responsibility, not a power. > > > > > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 18, 2023, at 19:13, tison wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > Here is a sub-object on the project graduation - Have an agreement on the > >> > members of the PMC[1]. > >> > > >> > Generally, all members of the PPMC will be included in the TLP PMC. All > >> > members of the IPC will be invited to join the TLP PMC. > >> > > >> > I'll additionally suggest including all the current committers in the TLP > >> > PMC unless there is a certain issue. > >> > > >> > And this thread is to reach a consensus on the proposal above. > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > tison. > >> > > >> > [1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-opendal/issues/3616 > >> > >> -- > >> Xuanwo > >> > > -- > Xuanwo
