So call out the problem statement, the constraints and the final goal in the beginning and you don't need to fear to having to fix whatever pattern later on ;)
Cheers Daniel PS: I suspect the goal at hand is -- as I learned to understand it while reading this thread again -- to turn the mockup image into some templates to get the website online ASAP. On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:42 PM, David Blevins <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:59 PM, dsh wrote: > >> I wouldn't call it perfectionism. It is just that the constraints and >> goals weren't pretty clear at the beginning of this thread ;) > > Yep. Vaguely stated at best. > >> The icons I requested aren't even related to the website itself... > > Right, was targeting the "collect ideas and get new proposal" statement which > is dangerously close to "let's throw away what they gave us and try again". > No one ever said that, just making sure we don't start a "bikeshed" > pattern[1]. > > Probably the best way to phrase it: > > We can paint the bikeshed as many times as we want > > The fallacy of the bikeshed metaphore is that somehow everyone needs to agree > on a color before you can paint the bikeshed. When in reality its a simple > task and you can just paint the bikeshed and keep repainting it for as long > as it takes. > > > -David > > > [1] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshed > >> >> Cheers >> Daniel >> >> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:54 PM, David Blevins <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> FYI, to all. Chatting with Sally who does all the Apache announcements and >>> it looks like either the 5th or 6th will be the date. Anything later than >>> that and JavaOne is essentially over. So if we don't have something in >>> place by then, we'll end up launching with the old site. >>> >>> If we get too picky I think we're going to learn a hard lesson in >>> perfectionism. >>> >>> My recommendation would be for us to get the actual template files for the >>> site as shown in the pic. Someone here can work on getting that turned >>> into a velocity template and up on the site. Then we can push a new round >>> of requirements at the designers. >>> >>> >>> -David >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Didn't get time yesterday to get something better. But, I can collect all >>>> your ideas, requirements, etc and get a new proposal from our designers. >>>> >>>> Hopefully on Monday. >>>> >>>> Jean Louis >>>> Le 1 oct. 2011 22:27, "David Blevins" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 1, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I would like something more dynamic, maybe more orange like our bean. >>>>> >>>>> We can certainly do that. I expect we'll keep playing with the site and >>>> possible TomEE logos for the next few weeks. >>>>> >>>>> We just need something new in place for the announcement even if it's only >>>> temporary. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Le 1 oct. 2011 20:51, "Karan Malhi" <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>>>> I love it!. +1 on this template. Will share my ideas in another email >>>>>>> regarding TomEE launch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 11:03 AM, David Blevins <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Jean-Louis forwarded me this image. The only text was in French, which >>>> I >>>>>> don't speak, but it's pretty safe bet to know what it is ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://openejb.staging.apache.org/images/newsite-tan.jpg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looks nice! Way better than what we have and would be a great template >>>>>> to use for the launch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we could get "TomEE" worked into the logo, I think that'd be perfect >>>>>> for the launch. We can always do something else later, but this is at >>>> least >>>>>> new and different enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2011, at 2:29 AM, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FYI, I asked someone in my company to help us with the design of the >>>> new >>>>>> web >>>>>>>>> site. >>>>>>>>> If we could get something sexy to accompany the upcoming Apache >>>> OpenEJB >>>>>>>>> 4.0.0, that'd be great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jean-Louis >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Karan Singh Malhi >>>>>>> twitter.com/KaranSinghMalhi >>>>> >>> >>> > >
