> > At my 5-7 years old laptop > "unpacked" build tooks 7-9 minutes > "quick" build tooks 01:01 minute
You are missing that it's not only the build time. You also need to restart the server. Which is another 1-2mins. And you need to re-login + navigate to the place where you were before. Which depending on the scenario can be even more complicated. Well, I always thought it is impossible to create a PWA out of a server > side based web application > Can you share PoC? Will do PR shortly. I wouldn't call it a PWA. It's basically a fancy bookmark to the home screen. With the ability to have an icon + name + splash screen + pre-configured browser settings (hide nav bar). Not using any of the other PWA features like offline mode or anything. You can do that with any website. How much it uses "pwa" features just depends on what the website provides in the manifest file. Thanks, Seb Sebastian Wagner Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 05:23, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 04:49, seba.wag...@gmail.com <seba.wag...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > OFFTOPIC: I don't really like webpack-and-friends, it's output is often > > unpredictable and hard to debug. > > Additionally I have difficulties to set it up to do what I need > > This is why I'm trying to find something that "just works" and produces > no > > damage :) > > > > Your offtopic sounds more like a rant :) > > > > I would say "grumbling" :)) > > > > webpack-and-friends, it's output is often unpredictable and hard to > debug. > > > > > Additionally I have difficulties to set it up to do what I need > > > > => Actually I mostly used webpack just during development. Not when > > productionising. During development you can use webpack to start a task > > which enables you to reload the JS+HTML while in a page. E.g. in > > OpenMeetings changing the HTML takes around 3minutes, cause you need to > > restart the entire server + navigate back to where you were in a browser. > > See: https://webpack.js.org/configuration/dev-server/ > > > > This greatly improves the development cycle, it cuts it down to seconds > > what previously took minutes. > > > > At my 5-7 years old laptop > "unpacked" build tooks 7-9 minutes > "quick" build tooks 01:01 minute > > not too much :))) > the number can be lower, for whatever reason site is generated even if ` > maven.site.skip` is passed :( > > > > => Unfortunately it won't be possible to integrate this into OpenMeetings > > for now. Because it won't work with Apache Wicket. > > > > It seems like you are putting all of those different tools and > technologies > > into 1 umbrella/basket. While it's more like each of those has Pro and > > Cons. Some might be good for OpenMeetings, others maybe not. > > > > Well, I always thought it is impossible to create a PWA out of a server > side based web application > Can you share PoC? > > > > It has nothing to do with breaking things. None of those things should > > break the application. Neither frontend nor backend technologies should > > break the application or make it unstable. It has nothing to do with > that. > > > > Thanks > > Sebastian > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings > > < > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url > > > > > < > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 03:41, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 03:41, seba.wag...@gmail.com < > > seba.wag...@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The project is responsible for the 3rd party components/libraries > it > > > uses > > > > > I try to check the license of JS components (but not their trees) > > > > > > > > Re license checking, we could explore using: > > > > https://www.npmjs.com/package/license-checker > > > > => to automate license checks. That might be quite useful, especially > > > once > > > > more dependencies are added. > > > > > > > > > > +1 to add license check > > > This can be separate maven profile (maybe event separate Jenkins job to > > > save developer's time) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also other build/checks improvements: > > > > Linting JS code - Also what would be good would be to add a linter: > > > > https://www.npmjs.com/package/lint > > > > => To automate checks for JS formatting. E.g. forgetting to replace > > > > whitespaces with tabs :) A linter can help a lot. And it is very easy > > to > > > > set up. > > > > > > > > > > I've set up my IDE (and using "show whitespaces" mode) > > > but let's use "the robot" :) (I, personally, don't really like all > those > > > checkstyles, they do the job but not flexible enough :( ) > > > > > > > > > > Bundling/minify CSS and add linter using NPM: various NPM plugins > > > available > > > > to do it, eg https://www.npmjs.com/package/css-loader > > > > => NPM can also be used to bundle the CSS files > > > > > > > > > > we had an option to minify CSS files > > > But to be fair it is very much useless > > > And the one we were using also did break CSS units > > > > > > > > > > => This has also the advantage that you can use the linter to make > sure > > > CSS > > > > formatting is good > > > > => This also has the advantage that you can use further clever ways > to > > > > optimise the CSS (https://sass-lang.com/) > > > > > > > > > > OFFTOPIC: I don't really like webpack-and-friends, it's output is often > > > unpredictable and hard to debug. > > > Additionally I have difficulties to set it up to do what I need > > > This is why I'm trying to find something that "just works" and produces > > no > > > damage :) > > > > > > > > > > this might be dangerous since we have no frontend tests :( > > > > > > > > => We should be able to add JavaScript unit tests using Jest: > > > > https://jestjs.io/ > > > > => And integrate + automate it into our NPM build process > > > > https://www.npmjs.com/package/jest > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some tests in other projects, but have no experience in the topic > > :( > > > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken there was discussion > > > > > Will try to search archives (no ETA unfortunately :(( ) > > > > > > > > => Let's maybe fix a few of the above and then we can contact @infra. > > At > > > > the moment I think there is a few things we can do without ASF > support > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 > > > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 05:30, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > (moving to dev@) > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 03:59, seba.wag...@gmail.com < > > > > seba.wag...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > In the long run I am interested in how NPM fits with the Apache > > > > > Foundation. > > > > > > But maybe that is something to raise with @legal and @infra: > > > > > > - Current vetting of licenses is based heavily on maven (e.g. > > > > > maven-rat), > > > > > > how will that translate into NPM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The project is responsible for the 3rd party components/libraries > it > > > uses > > > > > I try to check the license of JS components (but not their trees) > > > > > > > > > > - NPM ecosystem is considered a lot more volatile than Maven. A > lot > > > more > > > > > > changes in a shorter period of time. Would probably mean even > > tighter > > > > > > governance on making sure licensing is considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are (semi)manually updating versions > > > > > this might be dangerous since we have no frontend tests :( > > > > > > > > > > - Same for managing dependencies: ASF has a Maven repo, but no NPM > > > > > > repo/mirror. Are there any plans at ASF to establish a NPM > mirror, > > or > > > > are > > > > > > we proposing npmjs is what projects should use and publish to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I'm not mistaken there was discussion > > > > > Will try to search archives (no ETA unfortunately :(( ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is actually an Incubating project that is purely publishing > > > > > themself > > > > > > as NPM module: > > > > > > https://annotator.apache.org/docs/ > > > > > > as well as > > > > > > https://cordova.apache.org/ publishes NPM packages > > > > > > as well as > > > > > > https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/get-started/royale-cli > > > > > > > > > > > > So we are not the very first project using it. But I expect more > > > > projects > > > > > > in the future. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Seb > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner > > > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions, OM-Hosting.com > > > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ > > > > > > https://om-hosting.com - Cloud & Server Hosting for HTML5 > > > > > > Video-Conferencing OpenMeetings > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Maxim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Maxim > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Maxim >
