On 26 April 2013 20:42, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > On 26 April 2013 18:52, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Claudio Filho <filh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > Hi > >> > > >> > Em 26/04/2013 12:13, "janI" <j...@apache.org> escreveu: > >> > > >> >> >for the record, this was not what I said....I simply believe that a > >> >> feature without help (and documentation) is not complete and if > released > >> >> should be highlighted because our average user depend on help in many > >> >> situations. > >> > > >> > Only to give an out perspective, this "highlighted" can return against > >> we, > >> > as a incomplete or immature development. > >> > > >> > Imho, an important feature of aoo project is its concern in bring and > >> > deliver a product with high quality. So, the PoV of Ariel and Jan are > >> solid. > >> > > >> > >> Then all the more reason for someone who cares to enter an issue into > >> BZ for this. Don't you agree? > >> > > > > I have not seen BZ yet for problems/shortcomming with new features in > > development (e.g. where are the detailed outstandings of IA2, jsc 3 layer > > change etc). The help/documentation issue is part of the general sidebar > > development, but of course we can make one big extra BZ for the 4.0 > > release just to please the administrative overhead. > > > > > Actually, we just completed a test pass of the Sidebar, a "new > feature", and 65 new defects reports are in BZ. We use Bugzilla for > tracking these things, even for new features. Once the developers > have integrated the code into the trunk, posted a build and asked for > testing to begin, then we use BZ for tracking issues. > > > making BZ for problems/missing with ongoing development is highly > > problematic, I could f.x. make about 10 BZ for genLang, and I am pretty > > sure the sidebar developers/documenters/testers could make about at least > > 100 BZ if they wanted to. It would simply flood BZ, make real problems > > harder to spot, and put an extra burden on the people doing the work. I > > f.x. have a simply list with my outstandings,which is quite normal during > > the development/initial test phase. > > > > genLang isn't checked into the trunk, a build posted and a call for > testing started, right? See the difference? > > > > making a special BZ for this issue, is in my opinion just an > administrativ > > trix, it does not change 1 millimeter about the fact, that we have both a > > challenge. And also I dont understand why you separate this issue from > all > > the other open issues with sidebar. > > > > I don''t see why you are separating this issue from all the other > sidebar issues, which are, as I indicate, in BZ already. > > > We should be focussing a lot more on solving our challenges !! > > > > And one way you can help is to enter issues with integrated features > into Bugzilla. Though obviously you are just refusing, for > stubbornness sake to do this. At this point I'm pretty sure if I > suggested you should drink water you would rather go thirsty than do > something that I suggested. So be it... >
may I politely suggest we keep a moderate tone on this list...I hope I did not write anything personal against anybody ! I you want to be personal, it should be kept off-list....but I surdenly understand when I am unwanted. I will take proper action. rgds. Jan I. > > > Discussing whether or not help is integrated after both developers and > > documenters have told it is not, or whether or not a BZ should be filled > > out are not positive for the process or for our community. > > > > I agree that discussing it is silly. You should just enter the issue > and BZ and stop talking about it. > > -Rob > > > > This is of course my private meaning, but we have a real tendency at the > > moment to discuss the administrative surrounding and not the kernel > issues. > > I do not understand, why that is, but I strongly believe it signals > > something negative. > > > > Lets try to focus on the problems, make solutions...not administrative > > stoppers, any objections to that ? > > > > Focus > > > rgds > > Jan I. > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > My 2 ¢ > >> > > >> > Claudio > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
