On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Andre Fischer <awf....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14.06.2013 14:27, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Marcus (OOo) <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 06/13/2013 09:36 AM, schrieb Andre Fischer:
>>>
>>>> On 12.06.2013 22:06, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Marcus (OOo) <marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 06/12/2013 06:48 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/06/2013 Andre Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can we have both? Some longer living, semi-'official' news and a
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> frequently changing list of recent blog posts. I find both important
>>>>>>>> and interesting. And having blog posts listed on the main page may
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> an incentive to more people writing new posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adding "Blog" to the main navigation bar is surely helpful. For
>>>>>>> something more similar to what Andre asked for, I've just committed a
>>>>>>> test to
>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/test/index.html
>>>>>>> (if it gets published, no problem, it will still be in the test
>>>>>>> area).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There you can see a block with the titles of the latest posts, good
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> show immediately what the blog topics are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's right. One (maybe radical) idea comes into my mind:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if we stop the normal news (and the separate news webpage on
>>>>>> ".../news/index.html") and post everything in the blog? And write some
>>>>>> headline on the homepage?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking something similar. Shouldn't all new stories go onto
>>>>> the blog?
>>>>>
>>>>> And once we figure out how to update this live from the feed, I'd love
>>>>> to split the right side into three areas, one for the most recent blog
>>>>> posts, another for the most recent extensions and another for the most
>>>>> recent templates.
>>>>>
>>>>> So in a small space we can rotate headline from the blog, as well as
>>>>> templates, extensions, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like your ideas (Andrea, Marcus, Rob) in general. But
>>>>
>>>> - I think the distinction between blogs and news can be a good thing if
>>>> we understand blogs more as personal opinions of individual community
>>>> members and news as 'official' announcements. If we mix blogs and news
>>>> then I see the danger that news will be swept out of view by the much
>>>> more frequently written blog posts.
>>>
>>>
>>> I tend to see blog posts as news, too. Maybe with no official wording but
>>> more informal, but still news.
>>>
>> I think there are two dimensions: formal versus informal, and
>> project-view versus personal.
>>
>> I think everything on the project blog should be written with us
>> wearing our "project hat". In other words it should conform to
>> community values and support the mission of the project. But within
>> these posts there may be various degrees of formality. Some might be
>> written from the perspective of the individual, using the word "I".
>> Others might be more formal, and speak of "we". Some might be more
>> conversational, others more in the form of a press release. But they
>> are all done wearing out Apache OpenOffice hats.
>
>
> +1
>
>
>>
>> I would not expect the project blog to have posts promoting 3rd party
>> businesses, discussing our summer holidays, criticizing other open
>> source projects, or attacking the NSA for spying on Americans. But
>> all of these topics are fine for personal blogs, hosted outside of
>> Apache.
>>
>> If we agree on this kind of division, then "news" or "announcements"
>> would refer to project blog posts of a certain style. They are the
>> more formal ones written with the intent of giving a specific message.
>> We could decide to promote only such posts on the www.openoffice.org
>> homepage, or all posts. Personally I think we might want to save
>> that space only for news posts. And if we do that there is no need to
>> give the author's name on the home page. Just give the title.
>
>
> My first reaction was to say, yes you are right. After all, OpenOffice.org
> is the official home page for OpenOffice. But on second thought, we are not
> a governmental institution. We do not have official news that can change
> the lives of people (in the sense of rising taxes or making smoking
> illegal). I think that as an opensource project that is run by volunteers,
> it would be a good thing to also have more personal opinions on the front
> page. I don't see a problem as long as such blog posts, as you said above,
> are written while wearing the Apache hat.
>
Maybe it helps to have some specific examples, even fictitious ones:
A post on why the new sidebar is cool, could be written from 1st
person ("I") perspective and contain opinions on why it is cool.
Since coolness is subjective it is impossible to avoid this being an
opinion. But it can still reflect a project hat perspective. The fact
that it may also be your personal opinion does not cancel out the fact
that it is a project-perspective as well.
But a post on why GPG is a bad license, written with the same level of
informality, by the same person, would probably not be good for the
project blog. Why? Because our position, as a project, is that we
prefer ALv2, and we understand and promotes its advantages, but we are
not out to condemn other licenses.
IMHO, personal opinions that are outside of what the project is
promoting belong outside of the project blog, on personal blogs.
However, even then there are things to help promote such personal
blogs, e.g., by re-enabling Planet OpenOffice.
Since we are dealing with FUD, and dealing with journalists who take
random posts on the mailing list as official project positions, we
really need a vehicle for giving authoritative statements. If not the
blog, then what? We cannot complain about the press confusing
personal opinion and official project statements if we cannot show
such clarity ourselves in our own communications.
-Rob
> -Andre
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> With a clear structure of categories and a clear "signature/disclaimer"
>>> at
>>> the end of the text it should be clear enough in which context the blog
>>> text
>>> is - personal or official or ...
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> - Listing blog posts, extensions and templates will only work if we have
>>>> frequent updates of extensions and templates. I have to admit that I did
>>>> not follow those two in the past months. Is there enough traffic to talk
>>>> about?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Andre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> We keep going to post news also on the homepage *and* get more blog
>>>>>> posts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another thing:
>>>>>> Put the x recent headlines directly between nav bar and "I want to
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> more ...". Yes, that would put everything a bit lower, but we would
>>>>>> get rid
>>>>>> of the right side and the entire page will be much more smaller.
>>>>>> Better for
>>>>>> mobile devices. And the news are always on top.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So a single column?
>>>>>
>>>>> Another idea would be to introduce jQuery and implement one of the
>>>>> many sliders:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://vandelaydesign.com/blog/tools/awesome-jquery-sliders/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless there are objections, I plan to port it to the "real" homepage
>>>>>>> during the weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me that would be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcus
>>>
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