On 16 July 2013 16:21, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Max Merbald <max.merb...@gmx.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'd also suggest it would be best to include the issues listed by Jürgen > in > > the other thread. Better to include them than to have complaints by > users, > > and, possibly, bad press. I don't think there's a need to hurry things. > > Another vote wouldn't hurt, would it? > > > > Technically, we're only voting on the source distributions. And the > vote is about whether the source meets Apache legal policy > requirements in terms of license headers, NOTICE file contents, > copyright statement. We're also verifying digital signatures and > checksum hashes, to verify the integrity of the released files. > > So if the RC had no problems in these areas then the new RC, that just > changes a few lines of code and does not add any new files or new > components or new dependencies , will also not have any issues. So we > don't really need a 72-hour vote, IMHO. We just need enough time to > double check the signatures and hashes. >
The binary install sets are important as well, of course. But we're > not really voting on those. And the vote is not an invitation to > start testing. Testing has been ongoing for a couple months now. The > reason we have a vote is because there are no known serious bugs. We > wouldn't have a vote if there were huge known issues. In this > particular case we missed an issue, obviously. But the solution in > the future to that is more testing effort in the months and weeks > leading up to a release vote. We'll never improve things > substantially by trying to squeeze more testing into a 72-hour voting > window. > you are fully correct in your statements, I would however still give people a chance to test the new RC, and 72 hours is a figure we all know, no need to squeeze it more down than that. rgds jan I. > > Regards, > > -Rob > > > > Max > > > > > > Am 16.07.2013 15:58, schrieb Peter Junge: > > > >> On 7/16/2013 8:03 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com > > > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 7/16/13 1:06 PM, Peter Junge wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On 7/16/2013 6:55 PM, Max Merbald wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Jürgen, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I just tried the same action with both AOO 4 without your dll file > and > >>>>>> with it, using even the very same file where I had that crash on > June > >>>>>> 22, but in neither case did I have a crash this time. I think I'll > >>>>>> work > >>>>>> a bit more with Openoffice 4 now and if anything of the kind happens > >>>>>> again I'll report right away and write down the exact > circumstances. I > >>>>>> think it might be possible that it happens only in very special > >>>>>> circumstances, maybe dependant on which other software you're > running > >>>>>> while working with AOO 4. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I also gave it a try on Windows 8 (64 bit) and there's no sign of a > >>>>> crash. > >>>>> > >>>>> Elaborating further on particular conditions. Maybe it's related to > >>>>> specific hardware, e.g. graphics card? > >>>>> > >>>>> @Samer: As you seem to be able to reproduce the issue constantly, do > >>>>> you > >>>>> have any special hardware? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> it is not easy for me to decide at the moment. What do others think? A > >>>> respin means rebuilding all platforms, signing and uploading the new > >>>> files. And then another vote cycle of 72 hr. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Do we need another 72-hour vote? If there are no objections I'd > >>> support making a patch without triggering a full vote. > >> > >> > >> +1 > >> > >> Peter > >> > >>> > >>> -Rob > >>> > >>>> I personally will run into a time problem because I have to move into > a > >>>> new flat and will be offline for some days until Thursday of next > week. > >>>> It's no big deal and somebody else can do the work and a good release > is > >>>> of course important ;-) > >>>> > >>>> If we want a respin than we have to decide today and ideally until > 3:00 > >>>> pm (UTC +2). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Juergen > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Peter > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Max > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am 16.07.2013 11:48, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 7/16/13 9:56 AM, Herbert Duerr wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 15.07.2013 22:47, Rob Weir wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Samer Mansour > >>>>>>>>> <samer...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I logged my comments in the bug, I searched the db before I > opened > >>>>>>>>>> a new > >>>>>>>>>> bug sorry if its a duplicate. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It is windows 8 64-bit. Crashes on copy and cut. Paste seems to > >>>>>>>>>> not be > >>>>>>>>>> affected. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The four steps Rob gave in the bug are the minimum required > steps > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> reproduce. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> An update on this crash. I was eventually able to reproduce it > on > >>>>>>>>> Windows 8, 64-bit. This was an initial install, not an upgrade. > >>>>>>>>> Samer saw it on an upgrade install. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I worked on the stack trace with Herbert (fortunately my Windows > 8 > >>>>>>>>> machine had a debugger installed). Herbert gave me a patch to > >>>>>>>>> test. > >>>>>>>>> It appears to work on my machine. We're waiting to hear back > from > >>>>>>>>> Samer on whether it worked for him. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If anyone else was able to reproduce the problem then we'd love to > >>>>>>>> know > >>>>>>>> whether the DLL at http://people.apache.org/~hdu/sysdtrans.dll > >>>>>>>> solves the problem. It contains the patch I suggested in issue > >>>>>>>> 122752. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> To test it please > >>>>>>>> - download the DLL > >>>>>>>> - copy it into the OpenOffice program folder, on most systems this > >>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>> be the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\OpenOffice 4\program\ > >>>>>>>> - if the system warns you that you are overwriting a program file > >>>>>>>> then > >>>>>>>> please confirm with YES, as that is exactly what is wanted > >>>>>>>> - run your tests again that used to crash it > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> nobody out there who is able to reproduce the problem and can say > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> Herbert's fix is solving the problem? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We have reviewed the patch from Herbert with 3 people and the patch > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> save. The fix solved the issue for Rob who was able to reproduce > the > >>>>>>> problem partly before he used the patched library. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Windows 8 becomes more and more important on the desktop and > windows > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> our main platform. I tend to a respin at the moment but will wait > 1-2 > >>>>>>> hours longer to receive potentially more feedback. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Juergen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Herbert > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
