On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:41:47 +0200
janI <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 11 August 2013 10:05, Larry Gusaas <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > On 2013-08-11 1:27 AM janI wrote:
> >
> >> On 11 August 2013 00:40, Larry Gusaas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Shouldn't you discuss this on the forum to see what the forum users want?
> >>> Previous changes were discussed there, not imposed from outside the
> >>> forum.
> >>>
> >>>  I agree that is should be discussed on the forum, and now that is has
> >> been
> >> announced on the list I hope it will be discussed.
> >>
> >
> > I haven't seen anyone starting a thread on the forum asking for input
> > about changes to the header.
> 
> 
> Ok, but does it really matter if the discussion starts here or on the forum
> ? To me its important that we discuss it, reach consensus and move ahead.
> 
> I am f.x. one that are not active on the forum, but still work to make sure
> all our services have a common look & feel (and also maintain our servers
> to make sure all our users have a good experience). I feel its important
> that wiki, forum and www have similar look so users dont get confused, but
> it is just my opinion.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >    But please remember all decisions are made on the mailling list in
> >> accordance with the "apache way"
> >> therefore we need to discuss it on the list as well.
> >>
> >
> > Did I suggest otherwise?
> > Where was the discussion about changing the header before designs were
> > uploaded? Here was the original post on this subject:  "I wonder why the
> > header is not the 'official' logo of AOO. I generated a couple of headers
> > using the SVG logo typeset and colors, choose which one to use." Is that
> > the Apache way?
> 
> 
> First of all neither forum header nor wiki header have not been uploaded,
> it awaits lazy consensus on this thread. Uploading the headers without
> consensus would really not be the apache way. The current set of
> suggestions are quite different from the first set, and are of course open
> for discussion, but taking imitative and proposing a change, is in my
> opinion the apache way.
> 
> To be fair the start of the discussion comes from the unstable forum which
> we try to stabilize, and while doing do so it is natural that people look
> to see what else could/should be changed. I expect other changes when we
> upgrade the different software packages (like phpBB itself).
> 
> Take this as an opportunity, its the first time in several years, that the
> forum is being deeply maintained and undergo changes. Its quite possible
> that we cannot implement all ideas (after consensus), but having open BZ
> issues makes it possible to make the changes as resources become available.
> 
> rgds
> jan I.
> -- 
> _________________________________
> 
> Larry I. Gusaas
> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com
> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind
> theirs." - Edgard Varese
> 

The application of consistent "house" styling ought not be a major concern, 
once the decision has been made to use such "house" styling for a project.

More important is getting the Forum(s) stable before back to school/college 
demand ups the traffic to a peak. If janI is coming to grips with the software 
situation, the styling will be a relatively easy tweak at any time. [And many 
thanks, janI, keep up the good work!]


It is quite possible that the intermittent Forum availability and the lack of 
AOO 4.0 in Forum signature has hindered takeup of AOO 4.0. 

-- 
Rory O'Farrell <[email protected]>

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