On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 23:20:18 +0200 Matthias Seidel <matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> Well, he did it again... > > That is what he wrote to me on google+: > > "And don't do what the previous AOO editor did and inexplicably fail to > reveal their COI." For those who don't know, "COI" means "Conflict of Interest". COIs cut both ways; Mr G should be invited to quote chapter and verse (fact, not opinion) for his alteration. If there is dispute on the matter it should be referred higher on Wikipedia; he, as moderator on Wikipedia, should not arbitrate on any entry in which he is personally involved. The legal maxim is "Nemo judex in sua causa" (No man should judge in his own case) and the UK legal precedent is that of Coke in Dr Bonham's case. Rory O'Farrell > > > Am 14.09.2015 um 22:52 schrieb John D'Orazio: > > Interestingly mr. David Gerard IS a moderator on Wikipedia it seems. He > > still has to abide by the rules though. And there is quite a bit of > > discussion on the talk page, where some users have opted to split the > > "Apache OpenOffice" project onto its own page as a completely separate > > derivative project. All that is needed is to chime in on the article talk > > page citing references to legal info about OpenOffice.org being officially > > in the hands of the Apache Software Foundation. If there is evidence of > > that (which seems obvious to me, I'm a newcomer but I go to the webpage and > > I see Apache OpenOffice on the OpenOffice.org webpage), it just needs to be > > cited on the talk page to back any kind of edits to the article that > > reflect that. Seems that the article has already been split and "Apache > > OpenOffice" has it's own wikipedia article ( > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice), I wouldn't make a big > > deal about having a separate article but I would oppose the POV opinions > > about Apache not having legal rights to the OpenOffice.org project (hence > > the corrections to the infobox information). > > I don't know all of the technicalities, so the edits I just made might not > > be precise, for example which release was the first release to have the > > Apache license? > > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 09/14/2015 11:44 AM, John D'Orazio wrote: > >>> I'll try to change it too. If someone on wikipedia reverts an edit up to > >>> three times without founded reason, they can be blocked by a wikipedia > >>> moderator. So they won't be able to continue reverting forever... > >> > >> Well this is interesting information. I was wondering if there might be > >> editing wars forever! :) > >> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Matthias Seidel < > >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de > >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> https://twitter.com/davidgerard > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 14.09.2015 um 17:03 schrieb Max Merbald: > >>>> > >>>>> I changed it back. Who is this David Gerard person who obviously wants > >>>>> to damage OpenOffice? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Am 14.09.2015 um 16:48 schrieb Donald Whytock: > >>>>> > >>>>>> There was a minor skirmish last week over it. Looks like there'll be > >> one > >>>>>> this week too...someone changed it to "moribund". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Phillip Rhodes > >>>>>> <motley.crue....@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sorry, I missed the infobox when I looked at the page. You're right, > >>>>>>> having "Dormant" there is flat out wrong and very misleading. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I changed it to "Active" just now and added a ref pointer to the > >> 4.1.2 > >>>>>>> release schedule that Andrea just provided. I just hope there aren't > >>>>>>> certain parties with a vested interest in denigrating AOO sitting > >> around > >>>>>>> planning to start a revert war over this. :-( > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Phil > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Max Merbald <max.merb...@gmx.de> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Phil, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> what I meant was the infobox at the top right. In that box it says > >> that > >>>>>>>> AOO is dormat, which is not correct and which is not in the > >> citations. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> presence of a citation does not necessry mean that the claimed info > >>>>>>>> is in > >>>>>>>> the citation. If people read on the Wikipedia that AOO is "dormant" > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> they'll > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> start looking for different office software. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Max > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Am 03.09.2015 um 23:12 schrieb Phillip Rhodes: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I just looked at the Wikipedia page and don't see anything that's - > >>>>>>>>> strictly speaking - incorrect, or lacking citations. IOW, I don't > >> see > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> supportable rationale for removing anything that's there, although > >> one > >>>>>>>>> could question the motives of whoever made it a point to call out > >> some > >>>>>>>>> concerns about lack of activity in the first paragaph of the > >> article. > >>>>>>>>> Nonetheless, I think any attempt to modify that will face > >> opposition. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In a related vein, The Guardian recently ran this article titled > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "Should I > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Switch From Apache OpenOffice to LibreOffice or Microsoft Office". > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2015/sep/03/switch-openoffice-libreoffice-or-microsoft-office > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don't know if there's any easy way to counter this narrative that's > >>>>>>>>> spreading through the press, about AOO being > >> dead/dormant/whatever, or > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> how > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> LO is clearly "the winner", but it's definitely unfortunate to see > >>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>> kind of stuff spread around so widely. :-( > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Phil > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts < > >> lui...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Max, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 03 Sep 15, at 16:31, Max Merbald <max.merb...@gmx.de> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi there, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the Engish Wikipedia claims that AOO is dormant. I can't see > >> where > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> have the information from. The sources they use don't say so. I > >> think > >>>>>>>>>> it's > >>>>>>>>>> definitely bad for OpenOffice when people think no more is done > >> about > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The problem is also that LibreOffice has just published its > >>>>>>>>>> version 5.0 > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> is getting ahead of us. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> thanks for the alert. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is composed by a crowd of editors, and you can change > >> the > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> entry > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> to reflect the facts. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> So can anyone on this list. Becoming an editor at Wikipedia is not > >>>>>>>>>> arduous. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Louis > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Max > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> -------------------------------------------- > >> MzK > >> > >> “The journey of a thousand miles begins > >> with a single step.” > >> --Lao Tzu > >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > > -- Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
