2016-05-20 23:36 GMT+02:00 Kay Schenk <[email protected]>: > > > On 05/20/2016 02:01 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> I don't want to get too fussy, but we are talking about different >> statistics here. Comment inline. >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kay Schenk [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 09:54 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Removing all tracking from AOO sites >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05/20/2016 09:27 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: >>> >>>> Guys, please ... >>>> >>>> I just wanted to give a short update into my investigation of our >>>>> >>>> Google >>> >>>> Analytics usage. >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> * There IS general individual usage collection in some reports but >>>>> >>>> the >>> >>>> "user" information is translated into something called a "client id" >>>>> -- so >>>>> not by IP. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Let's just not be naive here. We are giving direct information about >>>> >>> our >>> >>>> users to >>>> a company that has ample power to tie this information to specific >>>> >>> users >>> >>>> and >>>> that already may own the content of your emails and navigation >>>> >>> history. >>> >>>> >>>> Ever heard of Big Data? This information will be correlated along with >>>> the latest >>>> searches and will be sold for commercial value to other companies and >>>> will also >>>> likely be available to the governments of the world at request. For >>>> whatever >>>> Mr. Trump may find it useful is another matter. >>>> >>> >>> I understand broadly what your concerns are. But really, in this day and >>> age, almost ANY website you visit has some sort of tracking mechanisnm >>> in place. Next time you "visit" anywhere, you might want to check this. >>> >>> >>>> Worst of all, we are not getting any value from this tracking ... >>>> >>> let's >>> >>>> stop it now. >>>> >>> >>> Well this last statement is NOT true. For the download page especially, >>> it is valuable because we can find out generally what OS the user is >>> using, complete with version information. I mean in a bulk sense. >>> >> [orcmid] >> >> I get all of the download statistics I see from SourceForge. That is >> based on the downloads they serve and should have nothing to do with what >> we do on our web pages with regard to Google Analytics, etc. >> >> Knowing the browser information, including default OS and language >> preference, is different than knowing what download, if any, they are >> requesting. I suspect SourceForge has that information on the >> click-throughs to where they serve the requests, whether or not we provide >> tracking on the AOO pages. >> > > That is correct. So whatever is "collected" from the download page vis a > vis browser, OS, OS version, etc, would be the same OS version info that > would be available for collection by SourceForge. But, I don't know what > SourceForge collects in this regard, if anything. What we see from that > site is downloads based on filename. They may not be saving any of the > client information. > > Of course, the visits to www.openoffice.org/download do NOT automatically > translate to an actual download.
Correct, conversion rate needs to be checked end-to-end. Also considering we're a pretty unique Apache project in terms of download volumes, we should always be on top of both analytics and detailed data (e.g. not only # daily downloads but also peak hours volumes). I remember the days when we didn't have a clue about those figures and sizing infrastructure for AOOE/T was just a guess work. Roberto > > > >>> >>> >>>> Pedro. >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> MzK >>> >>> "Time spent with cats is never wasted." >>> -- Sigmund Freud >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> > -- > -------------------------------------------- > MzK > > "Time spent with cats is never wasted." > -- Sigmund Freud > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
