> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]
> I observe that the Board and the Offices of ASF do not wish > to deal with hypothetical cases. Exceptions must be specific > and actionable. Also, exceptions do not create precedents. > If one project sees something they want as exception for > them, they must create specific exception of their own. (AOO > has exception for bundling some writing tools in binaries > only, not in source code, because licenses are incompatible. > It is very specific and not a precedent for other projects. > When details of another exception are worked out, it is often > revealed that the cases are not the same. The ASF avoids > common risk of others seeing more "precedent" for their case > than there actually is.) > > It seems to me that if there is a request for some sort of > external relationship(s), the external parties must already > exist and be prepared to provide detailed agreement on how it > will partner with AOO project in a way that preserves the > principles and purpose of the ASF in how AOO participates in > the arrangement. This is not hard. > > I do not think making exceptions about hypothetical > arrangements and then seeking external parties will work. > > That is why it may be better for external party to be created > first, operating as good downstream citizen, before requiring > anything of the AOO PMC and ASF Board. Ideally, no > significant attention will be required. The only thing > external entity cannot do, and PMC would have to intervene, > is make use of Apache trademarks in other than allowed ways. > Since it is not proposed that the external entity release any > software product, this should be agreeable. Yes, you are right, this is an important other perspective of the subject. I had not seen this perspective until now. > Only my thoughts, not thoughts from any PMC or Board discussion. Accepted. But in a specific case, it needed clear statements. That means it has to be clarified which way is the right one. (A) first create a concrete external party and then seek the reconciliation with Apache. or: (B) first discuss with AA how such an external party must be constituted and then establish this party. At the moment I can not say which way I find better. I can see that Dennis personally (A) preferred. The question is which way does the ASF and the OO PMC prefer? I think this requires official answers before we can continue the discussion in a goal-oriented manner. Greetings, Jörg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
