OK. Thanks for clarifying. Carry on.  :-)

On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Chris Bartlett wrote:

> Greg,
> 
> Understood, and I think we are in general agreement, but things have
> gone off topic a little.
> 
> Hopefully you understand I am not proposing to fork anything merely
> for the sake of it.  Any decision to a fork would only come about
> after the collaboration process 'rejected' the proposal, but when the
> functionality might yet benefit (a potentially small number) of
> others.  If nobody cares about it, then it will remain in my private
> library.  If someone cares, and I have time, I am happy to make it
> public.
> 
> I originally asked if anyone was interested in the idea, but didn't
> attempt to force it upon anyone.  I personally see value in the
> flexibility, functionality and simplicity of it (subjective terms,
> obviously) and was simply asking if anyone else could find a use for
> it.  My feelings won't be hurt if the reception is just 'the sound of
> crickets, and tumbleweeds rolling by!' :)
> 
> If I do proceed with this publicly in any way, its purpose, future
> goals, dangers, possibilities etc will all be prominently stated.  As
> will the fact that it is based upon the sterling work of the Pivot
> contributors.  It would never be presented as anything other than a
> way to process BXML slightly differently, from the 'official' way.
> 
> However, even saying that makes it sound like a much bigger deal than
> anything I envisioned.  I was thinking of < 10 core classes bundled
> into a jar and potentially lots of reuseable 'Transformable'
> implementations hosted somewhere.  Certainly not a move to steal
> Pivot's thunder in any way.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> On 9 July 2011 01:21, Greg Brown <gk_br...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> By the way, I don't mean to be preachy - I'm just saying that, if you think 
>> you have a good idea, then put it out there and let it get tossed around a 
>> bit. From my experience, that's the best way to reach a solution that 
>> everyone is happy with.
>> 
>> On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Greg Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> What I'm trying to say is that, even though collaboration may be difficult 
>>> at times, it generally produces a better result than the efforts of 
>>> multiple individuals working independently. Just because I may not agree 
>>> with all aspects of a change you propose (or vice versa) does not mean that 
>>> I don't see any value in it. By discussing a proposed change in the open, 
>>> that value can generally be drawn out. In my opinion, choosing to fork 
>>> rather than collaborate is simply counter to the spirit of the ASF.
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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