+1 for graduation On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Donald Szeto <don...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification Pat! It always help to have Apache veterans to > provide historical context to these processes. > > As for me, I'd like to remain as PMC and committer. > > I like the idea of polling the current committers and PMC, but like you > said, most of them got pretty busy and may not be reading mailing list in a > while. Maybe let me try a shout out here and see if anyone would > acknowledge it, so that we know whether a poll will be effective. > > *>> If you're a PMC or committer who see this line but hasn't been replying > this thread, please acknowledge. <<* > > Regarding the maturity model, this is my perception right now: > - CD10, CD20, CD30, CD40 (and we start to have CD50 as well) > - LC10, LC20, LC30, LC40, LC50 > - RE10, RE20, RE30, RE50 (I think we hope to also do RE40 with 0.12) > - QU10, QU30, QU40, QU50 (we should put a bit of focus to QU20) > - CO10, CO20, CO30, CO40, CO60, CO70 (for CO50, I think we've been > operating under the assumption that PMC and contributors are pretty > standard definitions by ASF. We can call those out explicitly.) > - CS10, CS50 (We are also assuming implicitly CS20, CS30, and CS40 from > main ASF doc) > - IN10, IN20 > > Let me know what you think. > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com> wrote: > > > The Chair, PMC, and Committers may be different after graduation. > > PMC/committers are sometimes not active committers but can have a > valuable > > role as mentors, in non-technical roles, as support people on the mailing > > list, or as sometimes committers who don’t seem very active but come in > > every so often to make a key contribution. So I hope this doesn’t become > a > > time to prune too deeply. I’d suggest we only do that if one of the > > committers has done something to lessen our project maturity or wants to > be > > left out for their own reasons. An example of bad behavior is someone > > trying to exert corporate dominance (which is severely frowned on by the > > ASF). Another would be someone who is disruptive to the point of > destroying > > team effectiveness. I personally haven’t seen any of this but purposely > > don’t read everything so chime in here. > > > > It would be good to have people declare their interest-level. As for me, > > I’d like to remain on the PMC as a committer but have no interest in > Chair. > > Since people can become busy periodically and not read @dev (me?) we > could, > > maybe should, poll the current committers and PMC to get the lists ready > > for the graduation proposal. > > > > > > Don’t forget that we are not just asking for dev community opinion about > > graduation. We are also asking that people check things like the Maturity > > Checklist to see it we are ready. http://community.apache.org/ > > apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html < > > http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project- > maturity-model.html> > > People seem fairly enthusiastic about applying for graduation, but are > > there things we need to do before hand? The goal is to show that we do > not > > require the second level check for decisions that the IPMC provides. The > > last release required no changes but had a proviso about content > licenses. > > This next release should fly through without provisos IMHO. Are there > other > > things we should do? > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:16 AM, takako shimamoto <chiboch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I entirely agree with everyone else. > > I hope the PIO community will become more active after graduation. > > > > > 2. If we are to graduate, who should we include in the list of the > > initial > > > PMC? > > > > Don't all present IPMC members are included in the list of the initial > PMC? > > > > Personally, I think we may as well check and see if present IPMC > > members intend to become an initial PMC for graduation. > > Members who make a declaration of intent to become it will surely > > contribute to the project. > > It is a great contribution not only to develop a program but also to > > respond to email aggressively or fix document. > > > > > > 2017-08-29 14:20 GMT+09:00 Donald Szeto <don...@apache.org>: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Since the ASF Board meeting in May ( > > > http://apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2017/board_ > > minutes_2017_05_17.txt), > > > PredictionIO has been considered nearing graduation and I think we are > > > almost there. I am kickstarting this thread so that we can discuss on > > these > > > 3 things: > > > > > > 1. Does the development community feel ready to graduate? > > > 2. If we are to graduate, who should we include in the list of the > > initial > > > PMC? > > > 3. If we are to graduate, who should be the VP of the initial PMC? > > > > > > These points are relevant for graduation. Please take a look at the > > > official graduation guide: > > > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html. > > > > > > In addition, Sara and I have been working to transfer the PredictionIO > > > trademark to the ASF. We will keep you updated with our progress. > > > > > > I would also like to propose to cut a 0.12.0 release by merging JIRAs > > that > > > have a target version set to 0.12.0-incubating for graduation. 0.12.0 > > will > > > contain cleanups for minor license and copyright issues that were > pointed > > > out in previous releases by IPMC. > > > > > > Let me know what you think. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Donald > > > > >
