Sophie wrote:
Hi Jacqueline, Mechtilde, all,
Jacqueline Rahemipour wrote:
Hello QA-Members,
from 15.-16.07. Mechtilde and Jacqueline had some interesting meetings
with the SUN QA-team in Hamburg. We wanted to talk about actual
QA-related topics and meet the people face-to-face.
First of all, many thanks to Stefan Baltzer and Joost Andrae for the
organisation of the meetings and their help.
Thank you for this review also :) I've translated your message for our
QA FR team.
On Wednesday we started with meetings about writer and base. We
decided to form a small project within the Writer-team (starting with
Oliver (od), Michael (mru) and Jacqueline) which handles actual issues
about numbering/bullets/outline. If someone else is interested to
join, please send us a mail! Mechtilde had an interesting talk with
some Base-members about the target group and the future of base. We
spoke with Martin (md) and Ivo (ihi) about some release- and
l10n-related issues and talked with Oliver (os) about Writer.
On thursday morning we started a big round with most of the
QA-team-members and talked about actual bottlenecks and possibilities
how the community can be integrated better.
About those discussions, did you came with some conclusions and further
actions?
We talked about that we need more specialists with knowledge limited
to individual office functionalities. Help is especially needed in the
Calc team: If someone is an expert for e.g. data pilot or chart or
something else, please tell us! We will have some cws-builds ready for
testing soon.
Do you have a list of the functionnalities looking for a specialist?
Also is there different levels of knowledge you are interested by?
Specialists in a different area are needed for the framework team. It
is really difficult to confirm distribution and system integration
related problems. So we need people, who can test in special
environment e.g. Windows 7, Vista 64bit, Fedora, Mandriva and many
other. If you do your daily work on such a system, please tell us, too!
I have difficulties to see how this could be organised. If for example,
in the QA FR team, we have members on those systems, how can they help?
By confirming issues, doing special tests,...?
Another topic on that day was the quality of extensions. We think that
it would be helpful to set up a qa-process for extensions to avoid
problems e.g. version conflicts. Maybe we can mark tested extensions
in a special way, after they are tested.
This is a good idea. Have you already decided on a follow up on this?
I would be happy to see such a QA process in place but i am in doubt
that we will be able to manage it. At least not with our current
policies to submit extensions in the repository.
At the moment we are very open for all kind of extensions (i personally
would be a little bit more selective and would have specified a slightly
different submission process but anyway) and let it up to users to rank
the extensions and to report problems (should extension get
automatically a subcomponent in the bug tracker, after they are uploaded?).
Before i would think about a more formal QA process i would like to see
or get some numbers about current problems with extensions.
If we decide to bundle extensions directly with the office. We have of
course to test these extensions more carefully. And ideally such
extensions should be integrated in the office code base directly and
should be maintained accordingly.
From my point of view we have enough to do with qa'ing the rest of the
office. For extensions i would more going in the direction to improve
the infra structure where possible. For example establish a start safe
mode without any extension, establish a i18n process for community
extensions etc.
I would say QA of extensions is first up to the vendors. But all
individual extension developer can ask for QA help via the mailing list
...
Just my two cents
Juergen
After that Jacqueline talked with Matthias (mba) and Hasan (hi) about
Writer Issues, especially about the future of mail merge and what is
needed to improve this feature. Mechtilde spoke again with Martin and
Ivo about releasing OOo and with Thomas (tm) about framework-qa and
problems with the different distributions and where community is
needed to help there.
Thanks again to all for those interesting and helpful meetings!
Thanks for your feedback, it looks very interesting :)
Kind regards
Sophie
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